Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

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CarmineD wrote:
The small canisters are bag also, but one model includes a separator that attaches to the wand.  Works pretty slick, most people find a pack of bags last a year with that device hooked up.

Dusty

My knowledge of Samsung is this:

In the UK there have been a few bagged cylinders and a few bagless cylidner vacuums. Until two years ago they brought the basic budget priced "Jet Propel," bagless uprights to the UK market but for all intents and purposes the components are very similar to the Bissell Easy Vac/Dirt Devil Vibe/Hoover Hurricane/Vax Quicklite/Dirt Devil Dynammite - most of these vacuums are being made in ONE factory in China etc and then rebadged per company logo. My own LG VUP45/55 series has also been made by Samsung and is also currently remodelled as a Dirt Devil/Royal lightweight bagged commercial upright (dont ask me which one, I have no clue, sorry!) Basically a lot of these vacuums have been centrally made in one place and again rebadged or have slight cosmetic differences. The LG upright for example uses the sames bags as Samsung's older bagged upright which appeared in the 1990's in UK.

Samsung however have made a very good model in terms of the Silencio. I don't rate bagless vacuums that well unless they're Dyson and the Samsung has a prolonged filter which doesn't need that much maintenance. However they claim that their cylinder vacs are the quietest on the market and along with Miele I'd say that this was true.

In terms of the UK market, we have oodles of "same again" Chinese market offerings budget priced bagless cyclonics and the bagged models are slowly running out of fashion if it wasn't for Hoover who stick with their old Purepower upright, Electrolux with their new Powerlite range and the premium market with Miele and Sebo. It was only back in 2004 that Hitachi for example stopped production of their very old uprights and Panasonic in the UK still sell their awful MCE 4000? range. I say awful because they are noisy and have two drive belts to take off if the main one breaks - same model that Miele in the U.S sells under the Powerhouse tag.

dusty wrote:
Eureka had something similar a good while back.

http://samsungvacuums.ca/docs/jpgs/vac5115g_cmpt.jpg

Venson

Venson wrote:

Did I miss something, Venson?  A web site?

Perhaps bagged vacuums are more pervasive in markets that have a network of stores with reliable parts and service.  i.e. ORECK's success in the USA.  Tho, I understand a compact bagless ORECK canister is on the market soon.   Bagged vacuums are not so popular where stores to sell and service are not available.  My own observation is that the homegrown independent vacuum stores are a USA phenomenon and not translated into the European/UK markets.  Maybe that's not the case anymore?  Hence, bagless may be more sought after than bagged in those countries.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Good morning Carmine,

I'm so sorry. The link is as follows -- http://www.alibaba.com/

It's an online directory of sorts with whiich you can track down all sorts of manufacturers and suppliers from many parts of the world.

As for bagged vacuums I think they are still perceived as promoting thrift because owners don't have to go looking or disposable bags. Not a bad thing for the totally aware buyer who knows the other side of the coin is a good owner maintnenance routine to keep a machine running well. However, I think many consumers are buying bagless because they also think they won't need to go back to a shop for service until the vac just up and dies.

As for Europe, I think it's a border to border thing and that all hinges on any given country's state of economics and way of going about things.

Venson

Good site.  Thanks Venson.

CarmineD.

Here, here Venson!
You've hit the nail on the head here where bagged cleaners are concerned here in the UK. Many retailers just aren't bothering to sell bagged vacuums because Dyson's commercials have really changed the minds of the consumers, that it doesn't make sense to consider bags anymore. I find it totally ironic when most of the user manuals for bagless state that a bag should be used by allergy owners if emptying in a loose bin brings up the dust from the vacuum dust bin when emptied.

Hoover UK and Electrolux are persisting in selling some budget upright vacuums (and Electrolux also have a new Professional upright in the UK, similar in look to Sebo's BS36/commercial series) but has a manual height adjuster as opposed to electronics. I just bought a budget Electrolux Powerlite upright today - dead cheap plastic, very flimsy but its very light, incredibly quiet and a boon to use over heavier uprights.

I think it's interesting that, as yet, Electrolux do not offer a multi-cyclonic bagless system. Hoover do, Dyson do, Vax do - in other words, all the other top sellers, other than Lux. They must have something currently in development, it would be unusual forsuch a popular mainstream-brand to lag so far behind the rest of the industry.

Model2 wrote:

Not really that unusual for a company which places more emphasis now on manufacturing and selling kitchen appliances [Electrolux] rather than just vacuums [HOOVER, dyson, VAX].   Vacuums round out the home care product line for Electrolux.  For HOOVER, dyson and VAX, vacuums are the mainstay product line.  At the BEST BUY stores in the US, which feature the Electrolux appliance line, all the Electrolux kitchen appliances are displayed, stocked and sold.  The vacuums, save the Pronto and Ergorapido, are on-line orders only.  The latter don't have a pervasive demand.  Lowes stores in the USA feature the Electrolux vacuum line as well as the others.

Carmine D.

I'm referring to Electrolux within the UK market, where Hoover-Candy (destinct from the TTI-owned US Hoover Company) has a full range of laundry and kitchen appliances, and Hoover, Dyson, Vax, Samsung and LG all offer multi-cyclonic cleaners. In this context, it is odd that Electrolux still rely on a pleated cartridge-filter.