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DysonInventsBig


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Samsung's- Dirt Devil Eraser / Halo inspired UV patent.
Original Message   Jun 1, 2009 1:12 pm
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HARDSELL


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Re: Samsung's- Dirt Devil Eraser / Halo inspired UV patent.
Reply #42   Jun 22, 2009 11:38 am
vacmanuk wrote:
Whoah
I totally missed the debate here on Samsung.

To the best of my experience and knowledge model2 listen to what these guys are saying! Electrolux are a mass international brand company; Samsung started by churning out TVs, Videos and Stereos in the late 1990s. In Europe they tried their hand at vacuum cleaners and they were NOT their own design; the Samsung Jet Propel series is loosely based on LG's bagged upright and to a latter extent Dirt Devil U.S inspired uprights. Their cylinder cleaners followed a similar route whilst their latest cylinder vacuum may well claim to be the quietest, I still find Miele rules supreme in that market for cylinder vacuums even their new S7 range uprights are quieter than the rubbish Samsung are currently selling. Its all very well having to have a quiet claim on ONE type of market product but if it can't be applied to other vacuum cleaner styles in the family then there is limited appeal for those who dont like cylinder vacuums.

Samsung and LG are however different. The U.S market had LG for at least five years before we could even buy any of their larger household appliances inthe UK. I recall my father impatiently waiting for LG to launch their direct drive washing machine in the UK so we could buy one and that was back in 2000. Over Samsung however LG have had a great reliability record in the UK at least; Samsung are still recovering from their American style refridgerators that caught fire earlier this year.

I am not familiar with appliance reliability, however, Samsung reliability excels over LG in audio/video electronics.
Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
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Re: Samsung's- Dirt Devil Eraser / Halo inspired UV patent.
Reply #43   Jun 22, 2009 12:23 pm
vacmanuk wrote:
Whoah<BR>I totally missed the debate here on Samsung.<BR><BR>To the best of my experience and knowledge model2 listen to what these guys are saying! Electrolux are a mass international brand company; Samsung started by churning out TVs, Videos and Stereos in the late 1990s. In Europe they tried their hand at vacuum cleaners and they were NOT their own design; the Samsung Jet Propel series is loosely based on LG's bagged upright and to a latter extent Dirt Devil U.S inspired uprights. Their cylinder cleaners followed a similar route whilst their latest cylinder vacuum may well claim to be the quietest, I still find Miele rules supreme in that market for cylinder vacuums even their new S7 range uprights are quieter than the rubbish Samsung are currently selling. Its all very well having to have a quiet claim on ONE type of market product but if it can't be applied to other vacuum cleaner styles in the family then there is limited appeal for those who dont like cylinder vacuums. <BR><BR>Samsung and LG are however different. The U.S market had LG for at least five years before we could even buy any of their larger household appliances inthe UK. I recall my father impatiently waiting for LG to launch their direct drive washing machine in the UK so we could buy one and that was back in 2000. Over Samsung however LG have had a great reliability record in the UK at least; Samsung are still recovering from their American style refridgerators that caught fire earlier this year.

Hi vacmanuk,

Just out of curiosity, is shopping in Europe limited border to border? As we've been commenting on vacuums sold in Europe though noot necessarily in the U.S., I have found that large manufacturers like LG and Samsung sometines offer different product in different places. As an instance a vacuum they might sell in Germany may not be the same as a model offered in Australia or Spain. My assumption is, were I European, if I wasn't quite satisfied with the offerings in my own country that I might easily find and buy something more to my liking in another. That would seem easy enough as we now have the internet.

Even better, most of those countries are blessed with the same electrical voltage. I would think European shoppers have more leeway to pick and choose than we do save for the additional cost of shippings and tariffs as they may apply.

I have two Mieles but the issue with the brand here is price. My main reason for buying either of mine was to have them in the house so I might better form an opinion through use regarding their worth instead of making judgements by way of specification sheets. And my opinion is that they are wonderful but they just cost too much.

I imagine that that this is due to the mark-up that falls into play concerning imports. A Mercedes here is a prized, coveted and expensive auto but I do recall how amazed I was that the Germans were using them as taxis. That's the kind of service we used to delegate to cheap American-made Chevrolets and Fords here.

Miele here is a niche brand and is usually sold in independent vac shops and by "select" vendors online. The exceptions I know of are two local chains, PC Richards and J&R carying some Miele canisters along with standard brands. Pricing for online shoppers is generally written in stone and "sales" involve not very significant price drops. We are now being challenged by a bad economy and people are tinking more than twice about what they flip out a credit card for.

People and business have been known to fall back when they get to feeling they're teh only game in town. No matter the maker, I'll always hope that we can avail ourselves of imports at least in the hope that a few "gems" may pop up here and there. Beside the competion that may put a little fire under some of our native appliance makers and get a few thinking more carefully about product and pricing.

As for the issue of quiet, I feel the more you spend the more you should expect. The ideal is a sound level low enough to allow you to carry on a conversation in a normal voice while you're working. Only a few vacuum makers -- even those who claim to make "quiet" machines -- list decible levels in the machine specs they offer.

Vacuums Like Filter Queen (our foremost high filtrstion vac at one time) and Lewyt strove for the goal of quiet operation and achieved it for years and years but somehow did not seem to impress the American public due to that. People were satisified to tolerate extra noise if they could spend less money.

Venson
CarmineD


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Re: Samsung's- Dirt Devil Eraser / Halo inspired UV patent.
Reply #44   Jun 22, 2009 3:25 pm
WRT Electrolux Home Care Products, they are also the US distributor for Filtrete vacuum bags and belts which makes vacuum parts for assorted brands and models, including HOOVER.  Decent quality too and prices.

Interesting!?

Carmine D.

vacmanuk


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Re: Samsung's- Dirt Devil Eraser / Halo inspired UV patent.
Reply #45   Jun 29, 2009 5:17 pm
&lt;BR&gt;<BR> Venson wrote:
Hi vacmanuk,&amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;Just out of curiosity, is shopping in Europe limited border to border? As we've been commenting on vacuums sold in Europe though noot necessarily in the U.S., I have found that large manufacturers like LG and Samsung sometines offer different product in different places. As an instance a vacuum they might sell in Germany may not be the same as a model offered in Australia or Spain. My assumption is, were I European, if I wasn't quite satisfied with the offerings in my own country that I might easily find and buy something more to my liking in another. That would seem easy enough as we now have the internet.&amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;Even better, most of those countries are blessed with the same electrical voltage. I would think European shoppers have more leeway to pick and choose than we do save for the additional cost of shippings and tariffs as they may apply.&amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;Venson

Sorry for the lateness of reply. In the UK and Europe some voltages are the same and some aren't, so as with the U.S if a UK buyer decides to buy in another model that isn't UK specific it may have a different voltage/amperage and a transformer would have to be bought so that the machine can work. In the UK generally buyers are not getting different models border by border, or district by district. Due to the size geographically of the UK any of the home websites of the brands on offer usually offer the same machines anywhere in the UK. As for Samsung being better than LG (response to HARDSELL) just because they appear to be better than LG in the audio department doesn't neccessarily mean its the same with every product line they make. I know this from experience and also that Panasonic's older upright and cylinder vacs are completelty different than they are in the U.S, are no less efficient but suffer from two drive belts, high noise and poor quality - which is nothing like any of the audio equipment I own with a Panasonic label on it. Infact in the U.S Panasonic's upright cleaners are available under the Miele Powerhouse tag.
This message was modified Jun 29, 2009 by vacmanuk
retardturtle1


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Re: Samsung's- Dirt Devil Eraser / Halo inspired UV patent.
Reply #46   Jun 29, 2009 5:43 pm
vacmanuk wrote:
&lt;BR&gt;<BR>
Sorry for the lateness of reply. In the UK and Europe some voltages are the same and some aren't, so as with the U.S if a UK buyer decides to buy in another model that isn't UK specific it may have a different voltage/amperage and a transformer would have to be bought so that the machine can work. In the UK generally buyers are not getting different models border by border, or district by district. Due to the size geographically of the UK any of the home websites of the brands on offer usually offer the same machines anywhere in the UK. As for Samsung being better than LG (response to HARDSELL) just because they appear to be better than LG in the audio department doesn't neccessarily mean its the same with every product line they make. I know this from experience and also that Panasonic's older upright and cylinder vacs are completelty different than they are in the U.S, are no less efficient but suffer from two drive belts, high noise and poor quality - which is nothing like any of the audio equipment I own with a Panasonic label on it. Infact in the U.S Panasonic's upright cleaners are available under the Miele Powerhouse tag.


hi

ive heard that vacuums adapted [ transformer]  to run on a different voltage dont last as long..less performance. never tried so im not sure...have you.

vacmanuk


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Re: Samsung's- Dirt Devil Eraser / Halo inspired UV patent.
Reply #47   Jul 3, 2009 11:20 pm
I have never bought a vacuum cleaner that has a different voltage or needed a transformer other than a 110V Numatic Henry commercial tub I had to work with and the one I tried was already something like 15 years old. Its still going I think!
DysonInventsBig


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Re: Samsung's- Dirt Devil Eraser / Halo inspired UV patent.
Reply #48   Nov 12, 2009 3:06 pm
Model2 wrote:
I think it's interesting that, as yet, Electrolux do not offer a multi-cyclonic bagless system. Hoover do, Dyson do, Vax do - in other words, all the other top sellers, other than Lux. They must have something currently in development, it would be unusual forsuch a popular mainstream-brand to lag so far behind the rest of the industry.

Model2,

Don’t let the vac-whacks push you off this forum.  Pick your topics and/or battles and control the conversations.  I do.

Electrolux has applied for U.S. conical [Dyson inspired?] separation patent protection.  U.S. patent app: 20090235482 or zip file here.


DIB
This message was modified Nov 12, 2009 by DysonInventsBig



Trebor


Joined: Jan 16, 2009
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Re: Samsung's- Dirt Devil Eraser / Halo inspired UV patent.
Reply #49   Nov 12, 2009 3:23 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Model2,

Don’t let the vac-whacks push you off this forum.  Pick your topics and/or battles and control the conversations.  I do.


Control the conversations?

DIB, You are a legend in your own mind!
Trebor


Joined: Jan 16, 2009
Points: 321

Re: Samsung's- Dirt Devil Eraser / Halo inspired UV patent.
Reply #50   Nov 12, 2009 3:23 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Model2,

Don’t let the vac-whacks push you off this forum.  Pick your topics and/or battles and control the conversations.  I do.


Control the conversations?

DIB, You are a legend in your own mind!
DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Samsung's- Dirt Devil Eraser / Halo inspired UV patent.
Reply #51   Nov 12, 2009 4:35 pm
Trebor wrote:
Control the conversations?

DIB, You are a legend in your own mind!

How about... “steer the conversation” instead.

If you want to see a legend, then step back from your Carmine hero worship and take a look at the narcissistic-abuse he and others posted to T.G., Motorhead and Model2.  Turning away 3 top guys (historians) is in whose best interest?…the forums?...it’s readers (posters and consumers)?  T.G was a consumer-favorite at another site at one point in time.  Look around, where are they?

DIB


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