Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

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Venson wrote:

Again, I'm talking within the context of the UK market, not the US market. Electrolux are still the 3rd biggest seller of vacuum cleaners, in unit sales, within the UK, regardless of what other products they offer.

What you say about the need for filter maintenence in the Twinclean demonstrates the need for higher-efficiency cyclonics in their machines, to keep more dust away from the filters for longer. And like I've said, Hoover, Dyson, Vax, Samsung and LG all offer this!

My point Model2 is the same as Venson's.  Electrolux is a major player in kitchen appliances in the UK and Europe.  And now making a name for itself in the USA for appliances.  Vacuums are secondary to Electrolux's business model/mission statement.  In the USA, the Electrolux brand is primarily a producer of bagged vacuum cleaners not bagless [EUREKA being both bagged and bagless].  Bagless technology is not relevant to Electrolux brand vacuum products in the USA.  

BTW, LG to my knowledge has no vacuums in the USA.

Carmine D.

Model2 wrote:

There's the answer to your question Model2.  If Electrolux is the 3rd biggest seller of vacuums in the UK market, a product that is not its mainstay line in that market, why bother to invest more time and money to compete for first/second place.

Carmine D.

Model2 wrote:

As we've said in response, HOOVER, dyson, VAX, SAMSUNG and LG don't have the huge kitchen appliance presence that Electrolux has in the same markets in which they all compete. 

Carmine D. 

Model2 wrote:
True Model2 but the world has changed. Just as you and I are communicating almost instantly and at little cost it would seem that other barriers are or should be breaking down. I want to look at vacuums with a less centrist and broader perspective. As the world is not all about vacuums produced in or for the UK or the US, it does not matter to me where a vacuum is made or who made it. My greater cause for interest is how it performs why I can't have it if it's good.

Regarding bagged versus bagless, I'm finding it all just about the same ticket. I have an bagless LG clone that does great at cleaning but fine dust filtration breaks down if litter begins to collect around the shroud and the cyclonic spin is hampered. I have the bagged Miele S7 Tango which I think is just wonderful. You can, clean and clean and suction is not notably altered until the bag is almost full AND, using the high-filtration type "U" bags you find little or no dust on the walls of the bag chamber. However, it has its shortcomings too.

The Twin Clean is not my ideal but then again I don't see it as the end of the world if it is what you have to work with. Having owned and used canisters and uprights plus water-type, permanent bagged, disposable bagged and bagless vacs its all more about being in tune with the machine you're using.

Venson

Whoah
I totally missed the debate here on Samsung.

To the best of my experience and knowledge model2 listen to what these guys are saying! Electrolux are a mass international brand company; Samsung started by churning out TVs, Videos and Stereos in the late 1990s. In Europe they tried their hand at vacuum cleaners and they were NOT their own design; the Samsung Jet Propel series is loosely based on LG's bagged upright and to a latter extent Dirt Devil U.S inspired uprights. Their cylinder cleaners followed a similar route whilst their latest cylinder vacuum may well claim to be the quietest, I still find Miele rules supreme in that market for cylinder vacuums even their new S7 range uprights are quieter than the rubbish Samsung are currently selling. Its all very well having to have a quiet claim on ONE type of market product but if it can't be applied to other vacuum cleaner styles in the family then there is limited appeal for those who dont like cylinder vacuums.

Samsung and LG are however different. The U.S market had LG for at least five years before we could even buy any of their larger household appliances inthe UK. I recall my father impatiently waiting for LG to launch their direct drive washing machine in the UK so we could buy one and that was back in 2000. Over Samsung however LG have had a great reliability record in the UK at least; Samsung are still recovering from their American style refridgerators that caught fire earlier this year.

vacmanuk wrote:
I am not familiar with appliance reliability, however, Samsung reliability excels over LG in audio/video electronics.

vacmanuk wrote:
Hi vacmanuk,

Just out of curiosity, is shopping in Europe limited border to border? As we've been commenting on vacuums sold in Europe though noot necessarily in the U.S., I have found that large manufacturers like LG and Samsung sometines offer different product in different places. As an instance a vacuum they might sell in Germany may not be the same as a model offered in Australia or Spain. My assumption is, were I European, if I wasn't quite satisfied with the offerings in my own country that I might easily find and buy something more to my liking in another. That would seem easy enough as we now have the internet.

Even better, most of those countries are blessed with the same electrical voltage. I would think European shoppers have more leeway to pick and choose than we do save for the additional cost of shippings and tariffs as they may apply.

I have two Mieles but the issue with the brand here is price. My main reason for buying either of mine was to have them in the house so I might better form an opinion through use regarding their worth instead of making judgements by way of specification sheets. And my opinion is that they are wonderful but they just cost too much.

I imagine that that this is due to the mark-up that falls into play concerning imports. A Mercedes here is a prized, coveted and expensive auto but I do recall how amazed I was that the Germans were using them as taxis. That's the kind of service we used to delegate to cheap American-made Chevrolets and Fords here.

Miele here is a niche brand and is usually sold in independent vac shops and by "select" vendors online. The exceptions I know of are two local chains, PC Richards and J&R carying some Miele canisters along with standard brands. Pricing for online shoppers is generally written in stone and "sales" involve not very significant price drops. We are now being challenged by a bad economy and people are tinking more than twice about what they flip out a credit card for.

People and business have been known to fall back when they get to feeling they're teh only game in town. No matter the maker, I'll always hope that we can avail ourselves of imports at least in the hope that a few "gems" may pop up here and there. Beside the competion that may put a little fire under some of our native appliance makers and get a few thinking more carefully about product and pricing.

As for the issue of quiet, I feel the more you spend the more you should expect. The ideal is a sound level low enough to allow you to carry on a conversation in a normal voice while you're working. Only a few vacuum makers -- even those who claim to make "quiet" machines -- list decible levels in the machine specs they offer.

Vacuums Like Filter Queen (our foremost high filtrstion vac at one time) and Lewyt strove for the goal of quiet operation and achieved it for years and years but somehow did not seem to impress the American public due to that. People were satisified to tolerate extra noise if they could spend less money.

Venson

WRT Electrolux Home Care Products, they are also the US distributor for Filtrete vacuum bags and belts which makes vacuum parts for assorted brands and models, including HOOVER.  Decent quality too and prices.

Interesting!?

Carmine D.

&lt;BR&gt;<BR> Venson wrote:
Sorry for the lateness of reply. In the UK and Europe some voltages are the same and some aren't, so as with the U.S if a UK buyer decides to buy in another model that isn't UK specific it may have a different voltage/amperage and a transformer would have to be bought so that the machine can work. In the UK generally buyers are not getting different models border by border, or district by district. Due to the size geographically of the UK any of the home websites of the brands on offer usually offer the same machines anywhere in the UK. As for Samsung being better than LG (response to HARDSELL) just because they appear to be better than LG in the audio department doesn't neccessarily mean its the same with every product line they make. I know this from experience and also that Panasonic's older upright and cylinder vacs are completelty different than they are in the U.S, are no less efficient but suffer from two drive belts, high noise and poor quality - which is nothing like any of the audio equipment I own with a Panasonic label on it. Infact in the U.S Panasonic's upright cleaners are available under the Miele Powerhouse tag.