Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

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dusty wrote:
Thanks Dusty. Following is the link for the Silencio.

http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=homeappliances&type=vacuumcleaner&subtype=cylinders&model_cd=VCC9540H4K/XEU

Venson

Thanks Dusty. 

Thanks once again Venson.  It appears that the 2 Samsung UK models, one cann and one upright, are bagless.  But the Canadian models are bagged except the small cann models.  I don't know if there is a relevance to this or not.  Maybe there is.  Does bagless appear the norm in the UK for vacuums vice bagged vacuums in Canada as the norm?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Don't know but what I have noticed is that many worldwide vac manufacturers sell different machines in different places. Some highly original models show up in one place and lesser generic type machines appear in other markets.

The following website may be helpful to some looking to investigate vacuums that are being made or sold in other parts of the world.

Venson

CarmineD wrote:
The small canisters are bag also, but one model includes a separator that attaches to the wand.  Works pretty slick, most people find a pack of bags last a year with that device hooked up.

Dusty

My knowledge of Samsung is this:

In the UK there have been a few bagged cylinders and a few bagless cylidner vacuums. Until two years ago they brought the basic budget priced "Jet Propel," bagless uprights to the UK market but for all intents and purposes the components are very similar to the Bissell Easy Vac/Dirt Devil Vibe/Hoover Hurricane/Vax Quicklite/Dirt Devil Dynammite - most of these vacuums are being made in ONE factory in China etc and then rebadged per company logo. My own LG VUP45/55 series has also been made by Samsung and is also currently remodelled as a Dirt Devil/Royal lightweight bagged commercial upright (dont ask me which one, I have no clue, sorry!) Basically a lot of these vacuums have been centrally made in one place and again rebadged or have slight cosmetic differences. The LG upright for example uses the sames bags as Samsung's older bagged upright which appeared in the 1990's in UK.

Samsung however have made a very good model in terms of the Silencio. I don't rate bagless vacuums that well unless they're Dyson and the Samsung has a prolonged filter which doesn't need that much maintenance. However they claim that their cylinder vacs are the quietest on the market and along with Miele I'd say that this was true.

In terms of the UK market, we have oodles of "same again" Chinese market offerings budget priced bagless cyclonics and the bagged models are slowly running out of fashion if it wasn't for Hoover who stick with their old Purepower upright, Electrolux with their new Powerlite range and the premium market with Miele and Sebo. It was only back in 2004 that Hitachi for example stopped production of their very old uprights and Panasonic in the UK still sell their awful MCE 4000? range. I say awful because they are noisy and have two drive belts to take off if the main one breaks - same model that Miele in the U.S sells under the Powerhouse tag.

dusty wrote:
Eureka had something similar a good while back.

http://samsungvacuums.ca/docs/jpgs/vac5115g_cmpt.jpg

Venson

Venson wrote:

Did I miss something, Venson?  A web site?

Perhaps bagged vacuums are more pervasive in markets that have a network of stores with reliable parts and service.  i.e. ORECK's success in the USA.  Tho, I understand a compact bagless ORECK canister is on the market soon.   Bagged vacuums are not so popular where stores to sell and service are not available.  My own observation is that the homegrown independent vacuum stores are a USA phenomenon and not translated into the European/UK markets.  Maybe that's not the case anymore?  Hence, bagless may be more sought after than bagged in those countries.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Good morning Carmine,

I'm so sorry. The link is as follows -- http://www.alibaba.com/

It's an online directory of sorts with whiich you can track down all sorts of manufacturers and suppliers from many parts of the world.

As for bagged vacuums I think they are still perceived as promoting thrift because owners don't have to go looking or disposable bags. Not a bad thing for the totally aware buyer who knows the other side of the coin is a good owner maintnenance routine to keep a machine running well. However, I think many consumers are buying bagless because they also think they won't need to go back to a shop for service until the vac just up and dies.

As for Europe, I think it's a border to border thing and that all hinges on any given country's state of economics and way of going about things.

Venson

Good site.  Thanks Venson.

CarmineD.