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Acerone
Joined: Jul 25, 2007
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The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Original Message Mar 13, 2009 5:05 pm |
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #89 Oct 10, 2009 7:33 pm |
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Retardt,
It’s only a shaft if Dyson is the doorkeeper to a “cannot survive without it” commodity. Your problem is choosing a low-wage occupation and then lying about those who have the guts to go it alone - who walk the wire without the safety net of an employer. We live in a free market and often times low-wage earners feel like victims, feel entitled and feel they can lie about doers. Your choice.
Your dealer buddies here sell vacuums with double the price tags and double the margins (for dealers) than Dyson vacuums. Additionally the profits keep pouring in when they have an exclusive territory and are typically the sole supplier of bags, belts and repairing/servicing to these so-called exclusive [i.e. hyped, in the public domain] vacuums. “Dyson shaft” is another example of a lie told by a Dyson competitor.
DIB
P.S. Glad to see you borrow my “groupies” tag where I describe the goofs who look up to bad-mouthing and dishonest vacuum dealers. I liked it, that’s why I introduced it.
DIB,
You should know by now that it is not about vacuum sales. It is about profits in parts accessories and REPAIRS, hence the dislike for Dyson. Carmine supported repairs and parts for 3 major cities. Never sold a Dyson or Dyson part. Yet he tells us how poor the quality is with Dyson. Truth is the other brands require as many or more repairs, belts bags, etc than Dyson. Otherwise those like Carmine could not have survived and the others would not have such a dislike for Dyson. Did I forget to mention that Dyson has bitten one when he down played their possibility of being a threat to another brand?
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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
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Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #90 Oct 10, 2009 8:07 pm |
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DIB, You should know by now that it is not about vacuum sales. It is about profits in parts accessories and REPAIRS, hence the dislike for Dyson. Carmine supported repairs and parts for 3 major cities. Never sold a Dyson or Dyson part. Yet he tells us how poor the quality is with Dyson. Truth is the other brands require as many or more repairs, belts bags, etc than Dyson. Otherwise those like Carmine could not have survived and the others would not have such a dislike for Dyson. Did I forget to mention that Dyson has bitten one when he down played their possibility of being a threat to another brand? Hardsell, Don’t you believe it... New vacuum sales account for much. What do you mean in the above (orange)? DIB
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procare
Joined: Jul 16, 2009
Points: 192
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Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #91 Oct 10, 2009 8:11 pm |
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DIB, H.S., To me Dyson is a Niche cleaner with others trying to grab a piece of the action.What percentage of the business is Dyson trying to get? What percentage of the country will buy Dyson? I don't mean Dollars spent but percentage of the machines sold. As far as Dyson's service , there is always one coming in whereever there are Dysons sold. Parts would not be available if they weren't. No vacuum cleaner even the weak powered Dyson are invincible and don't need repair. The new DC-26 is weak at 165 airwatts power. It compares to some of the of the better performers of the late 1980's. Sanyo sold a Mite Hunter in the 80's advertised with 170 airwatts power. Dyson is not God's gift to the people as you would have us believe. A man had an idea and people said they liked the idea. Many are being turned off after using the various cleaners including Dyson. As long as there is someone out there that hasn't heard of Dyson and his concept there will be some sales. But there will always be repair. Procare
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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
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Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #92 Oct 10, 2009 8:25 pm |
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DIB, H.S., To me Dyson is a Niche cleaner with others trying to grab a piece of the action.What percentage of the business is Dyson trying to get? What percentage of the country will buy Dyson? I don't mean Dollars spent but percentage of the machines sold. As far as Dyson's service , there is always one coming in whereever there are Dysons sold. Parts would not be available if they weren't. No vacuum cleaner even the weak powered Dyson are invincible and don't need repair. The new DC-26 is weak at 165 airwatts power. It compares to some of the of the better performers of the late 1980's. Sanyo sold a Mite Hunter in the 80's advertised with 170 airwatts power. Dyson is not God's gift to the people as you would have us believe. A man had an idea and people said they liked the idea. Many are being turned off after using the various cleaners including Dyson. As long as there is someone out there that hasn't heard of Dyson and his concept there will be some sales. But there will always be repair. Procare For an inventors kid, you sure fail to see the upside to patentable and problem solving inventions. DIB
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #94 Oct 10, 2009 8:54 pm |
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DIB, H.S., To me Dyson is a Niche cleaner with others trying to grab a piece of the action.What percentage of the business is Dyson trying to get? What percentage of the country will buy Dyson? I don't mean Dollars spent but percentage of the machines sold. As far as Dyson's service , there is always one coming in whereever there are Dysons sold. Parts would not be available if they weren't. No vacuum cleaner even the weak powered Dyson are invincible and don't need repair. The new DC-26 is weak at 165 airwatts power. It compares to some of the of the better performers of the late 1980's. Sanyo sold a Mite Hunter in the 80's advertised with 170 airwatts power. Dyson is not God's gift to the people as you would have us believe. A man had an idea and people said they liked the idea. Many are being turned off after using the various cleaners including Dyson. As long as there is someone out there that hasn't heard of Dyson and his concept there will be some sales. But there will always be repair. Procare
I have never claimed Dyson to be trouble free. Nor have I claimed that they are the best for everyone. I do believe that there is a lot of deceipt among the anti Dysoners. They dislike Dyson because the didn't or can't sell dyson as indys. Airwatts have been discussed many times here. I do not believe that airwatts is the only measure of performance. Neither do I believe that the brush with out proper suction is any better. Oreck produces a high RPM brush. However, it will not deep clean carpet. BTW, cleaning hourly or daily does not constitute deep cleaning. Only surface cleaning.
Hoover and Oreck are not god sends. However some would lead us to believe that they are. I doubt that you ever admit to a prospective customer that there are other brands as good (or better) as you sell. I agree. They all need service, repairs, bags, etc. If all those other brands are so good why is this?
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #96 Oct 11, 2009 7:02 am |
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For an inventors kid, you sure fail to see the upside to patentable and problem solving inventions.
DIB
However, unless you are still living in the glory days of dyson's past, as I allege, you would admit that Procare has it all exactly right. A DC26 has 165 AW. A standard in suction power achieved in the vacuum industry in 1980's, almost 3 decades ago [one whole generation]. Where's the innovation in that? Other than the high price and baby size. On the latter, Venson cogently explains that others have come before.
Carmine D.
This message was modified Oct 11, 2009 by CarmineD
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #97 Oct 11, 2009 7:24 am |
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DIB, You should know by now that it is not about vacuum sales. It is about profits in parts accessories and REPAIRS, hence the dislike for Dyson. Carmine supported repairs and parts for 3 major cities. Never sold a Dyson or Dyson part. Yet he tells us how poor the quality is with Dyson. Truth is the other brands require as many or more repairs, belts bags, etc than Dyson. Otherwise those like Carmine could not have survived and the others would not have such a dislike for Dyson. Did I forget to mention that Dyson has bitten one when he down played their possibility of being a threat to another brand?
It is a well known industry fact that bagged vacuums, from the cheapest $40 Dirt Devil to the most expensive import, are and always will be more resilient to user abuse and misuse than a bagless dyson. Ask any of the indies, dyson authorized too, who repair. Look at yourself. You were so confident in your DC07, what did you do? You bought an extended service plan from BEST BUY along with your purchase. Then couldn't use it because you sold the DC07 a few years after purchase. Pay toilet dancing again.
HS you fail miserably to comprehend the reality of the consumer economy and spending on the the vacuum repair and parts business. Vacuum users have to agree to doing the repairs and buying new/used parts. In good times, vacuum customers forego vacuum parts and repairs and instead buy new every few years. Big box rip off stores see their profits skyrocket. In bad times, vacuum customers defer new vacuum purchases and instead repair their old vacuums. Indies can make a decent living. Too high prices, and/or shoddy workmanship, and the vacuum indies would lose the repairs, and parts business. That's a formula for going out of business real quick like in bad times like these. Carmine D.
This message was modified Oct 11, 2009 by CarmineD
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