Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Story here:  http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/40463852.html

It sounds like Oreck's lawsuit was a little ill-thought out!

Model2 wrote:

The rule of law is clear: Res Adjudicata, if my latin is correct.  I don't know the dates involved for all the cases against dyson that apply to the false/exaggerated claim: Never clogs, never loses suction.  Perhaps there is some overlap.  I understand ORECK was also one of the 3 dozen complainants who filed with the ASA in the UK against dyson over the claim.  Perhaps, ORECK was hoping for a lone "legal" victory against dyson after the favorable decision gained by the suers against dyson with the ASA.

Don't know the terms of the ORECK 1 [Feb 2007] settlement.  Dyson vacuum products, save perhaps on its own Web Site with IEC tests annotated, don't use this claim in any sales advertisements by retailers.  And, the dyson claim has been cospicuously absent for quite awhile. 

Carmine D.

As of March 2009, Dyson continue to use the slogans, 'the cleaner that doesn't lose suction', and 'others clog - ours don't' in their current range of promotional and advertising materials in the UK.

Model2 wrote:

Would that be the dyson UK Web SIte and/or dyson product literature?  Or, is this pervasive of all dyson advertisements which include retailers of dysons?  Also, does dyson annotate/footnote with IEC tests as proof?

I excerpted the below from dyson's Home page in the USA which mirrors its own product literature more or less.  Conspicuously absent, unless buried elsewhere, is the "Never clogs" claim.  This claim was part of the class action filing with the ASA.  The clogging according to the dyson complainants resulted in loss of suction.  ASA sustained the complainants, if my memory serves me correctly. 

"Dyson proves no loss of suction using the IEC 60312 Cl 2.9 test standard on uprights and canister
vacuums and using a test method based on the IEC 60312 Cl 2.9 standard for the handheld.

Dyson proves no loss of suction, best average pick up, and 'overall outcleans other vacuums' using results from
IEC 60312 Cl 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.8, 2.9, ASTM F608 and F558, and DTM 755— an independently conducted Dyson test."

It is my gut opinion that vacuum manufacturers are given some "puffing" latitude for their claims with their own products and advertisements.  Short of lying.  But not when their products are advertised by others and/or in a line up with other brand industry products.

PS:  Would someone, anyone, explain the claim:  "best average pick up?"  Sounds impressive but the exact/correct meaning fails me.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Hi,

I'm confused too. If it's a typo and was meant to have been "best pick up average" versus other brands that would not be true. If it is meant to imply that Dyson is best out of x-number of machines for getting up an average amount/type of litter and dirt, I'd also deem that not necessarily on point.

Venson

CarmineD wrote:
I would take it to mean (and this is just my opinion) that after all the IEC and ASTM tests are done and combined that the Dyson cleaned the best over all tested categories.  Without knowing what all the tests were however, it all comes down to just another marketing line.

Dusty

Thanks for the thoughts.

It's clear that whatever the terms of the ORECK 1 settlement in Feb 2007 the result is that the once well defined slogan "Never clogs, never loses suction" has been replaced by a verbose ambiguous dissertation about tests and results.  Hard to hold any feet to the fire over words that have multiple meanings depending on who's interpreting. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote: Do you mean like the ads that claim to clean 50% better than Dyson that were lies?

CarmineD wrote:

The slogan 'others clog - ours don't' is featured in a Dyson promotional leaflets for their current UK upright and canister range. The leaflet for Dyson's DC16 uses the slogan 'The only handheld that doesn't lose suction'

The slogan 'the cleaner that doesn't lose suction' is featured both in Dyson promotional material, and also the current Spring/Summer 2009 catalogue from major UK retailer Argos.

The current Winter 08/09 floorcare catalogue for Currys, another major appliance, electronics and white goods retailer contains several similar statements:

'A Dyson vacuum cleaner uses Root Cyclone technology to spin dirt from the airflow. That's why a Dyson vacuum cleaner never loses suction.'

And:

'Root Cyclone technology separates the dirt from the air by centrifugal force, collecting it in a bin. Because it does not rely on a filter, suction remains constant room after room.'

None of these slogans are followed with references to any test results. I cite the Argos and Currys brochures as examples because I happen to have both of them to hand as I'm writing this. The website for electrical retailer Comet also features the slogan 'the cleaner that doesn't lose suction'  in its Dyson section, as well as the claim 'A Dyson cleaner spins the dirt out of the airflow at high speed, so nothing gets clogged. Which means it doesn't lose suction':    http://www.comet.co.uk/shopcomet/advice/080/Dyson-Guide

It should be noted that Vax, another major UK brand, are now making very similar claims for their own cleaners. From Currys floorcare brochure:

'Multi-cyclonic technology provides better separation of dust particles from the airflow, maintaining suction for longer. Cleans as well as the first time, every time.'

Cleaners from Vax's Mach range all bear the words, 'No loss of suction'

I can't help you Dysons, 'the best average pickup' claim; that's not in use over here!

Clearly, dyson is given more latitude among its sales venues in the UK than here in the USA.  Perhaps, due to the ORECK 1 settlement?  Maybe.

I'm not sure what test can be used to document and prove NEVER clogging. 

Carmine D.