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DysonInventsBig
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Original Message Mar 1, 2009 5:50 pm |
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Reply #78 Jul 23, 2009 8:25 am |
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BTW DIB would you care to share your historical observations about halo and its web page with us again for the record! What were your exact words: The high tech web page will sell MILLIONS! Was that it? Please correct me if I'm wrong. What happened to halo? Bought by a competitor you like to bash here for a bargain basement price less than a year after you made your infamous prediction! Now what was that you were saying about dyson products? Mainstream? Top seller? Where? Not even in your or HS houshold! With loyal customers like you, no wonder dyson is missing in action on 2008 financial comments/reports. Carmine D. Sounds like you when you said the Hoover Fusion and "z" would be the down fall of Dyson. It didn't happen.Hoover went busted and Dyson is surviving.
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Reply #79 Jul 23, 2009 8:31 am |
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DIB: You're adroit at avoiding questions and asking your own to divert the issues/subject matter. I asked you of what value is a $500 plus innovative technological product that fails its users within months of purchase. I'm specifically referring to a DC25 with defective motor wiring harness which THE AUTHORIZED DYSON DEALER OF NORTH LAS VEGAS refuses to sell. If you answer my question you will have the answer to your question. Eye on the prize, my friend! WRT to 2008 and 2009 vacuum sales, the two worse years for vacuum sales in the industry in decades, it has been said by me, and others, that the clear winners, industry leaders, and prize getters [for product sales] are ORECK and TTI/HOOVER. For the latter I would also add that Consumer Reports has declared HOOVER the "leading brand seller" AND rated 7 of HOOVER's uprights in its top 20 uprights. Including the number ONE position. Eye on the prize! Carmine D.
Do you honestly think that the vac industry sales in any city that you live in is indicative of what is hapening nationally? What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Low Dyson sales there is not indicitave of their survival or failure. Same as where you moved from.
Hoover (per you) was going great when it went busted a couple years back.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Reply #80 Jul 23, 2009 8:57 am |
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Sounds like you when you said the Hoover Fusion and "z" would be the down fall of Dyson. It didn't happen.Hoover went busted and Dyson is surviving.
Hello HS:
The oustanding sales of HOOVER Fusion [a TTI sourced bagless upright] at Wal*Mart stores was instrumental for dropping dyson's DC07 Original for several years. Least I remind you it is still going strong after several generations of newer and better models. Z is still in the HOOVER TTI line up. How many discontinued dysons still are? BTW how many new dysons have you added to your household. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Reply #81 Jul 23, 2009 9:06 am |
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Do you honestly think that the vac industry sales in any city that you live in is indicative of what is hapening nationally? What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Low Dyson sales there is not indicitave of their survival or failure. Same as where you moved from. Hoover (per you) was going great when it went busted a couple years back.
HS:
There you go again with your dyson colored glasses. At least you have the honesty to admit that dyson sales are tanking in Las Vegas and the metro Washington DC area. May I add ORECK and HOOVER are going great guns from the reports I receive. Watch the sales and ads nationwide HS. What vacuum makes and models are always in the retailers' pages?Not high priced dysons. Waste of advertising money. Unless like BEST BUY stores recently offering a $100 off the latest and greatest dyson DC28 for $600 [sale price $509] within the same month of launch. Why? To generate some sales. No my dear dyson friend: Dyson sales are tanking globally not just in one or two cities in the USA. You and your dyson twin are in denial. The dyson party's over. Dyson needs to revamp and revise its prices and products, get some favorable sales exposure from the experts including the indies, and hope the global economy recovers. If not, it's sayonara on the old metal guitar for your fave company. Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Reply #82 Jul 23, 2009 9:34 am |
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Hello HS: The oustanding sales of HOOVER Fusion [a TTI sourced bagless upright] at Wal*Mart stores was instrumental for dropping dyson's DC07 Original for several years. Least I remind you it is still going strong after several generations of newer and better models. Z is still in the HOOVER TTI line up. How many discontinued dysons still are? BTW how many new dysons have you added to your household. Carmine D.
You have stated more than once that pricing was the issue between WM and Dyson. Fusion is not going strong. Most all Hoovers are in their lineup. If anything this had more to do with their downfall than profitability. Last I heard the Z was going for $50 and still not selling.
How many Hoovers have you added since discovering Oreck? No need to keep inferior models like Hoover (if the newer are better). I liked the DC07 and you know that I have not been positive about its replacements.
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Reply #83 Jul 23, 2009 9:40 am |
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HS: There you go again with your dyson colored glasses. At least you have the honesty to admit that dyson sales are tanking in Las Vegas and the metro Washington DC area. May I add ORECK and HOOVER are going great guns from the reports I receive. Watch the sales and ads nationwide HS. What vacuum makes and models are always in the retailers' pages?Not high priced dysons. Waste of advertising money. Unless like BEST BUY stores recently offering a $100 off the latest and greatest dyson DC28 for $600 [sale price $509] within the same month of launch. Why? To generate some sales. No my dear dyson friend: Dyson sales are tanking globally not just in one or two cities in the USA. You and your dyson twin are in denial. The dyson party's over. Dyson needs to revamp and revise its prices and products, get some favorable sales exposure from the experts including the indies, and hope the global economy recovers. If not, it's sayonara on the old metal guitar for your fave company. Carmine D. What I notice in the ads is low end product to draw customers. Hoover has always been on sale which makes me wonder what retail should actually be. Right, no need to advertise if you are selling good. Tom Oreck reports differently than you. Of course he probably never look at sales in NV and DC since you watch thes for him.
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retardturtle1
Joined: May 16, 2009
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Reply #84 Jul 23, 2009 2:09 pm |
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HS: There you go again with your dyson colored glasses. At least you have the honesty to admit that dyson sales are tanking in Las Vegas and the metro Washington DC area. May I add ORECK and HOOVER are going great guns from the reports I receive. Watch the sales and ads nationwide HS. What vacuum makes and models are always in the retailers' pages?Not high priced dysons. Waste of advertising money. Unless like BEST BUY stores recently offering a $100 off the latest and greatest dyson DC28 for $600 [sale price $509] within the same month of launch. Why? To generate some sales. No my dear dyson friend: Dyson sales are tanking globally not just in one or two cities in the USA. You and your dyson twin are in denial. The dyson party's over. Dyson needs to revamp and revise its prices and products, get some favorable sales exposure from the experts including the indies, and hope the global economy recovers. If not, it's sayonara on the old metal guitar for your fave company. Carmine D. HI CARMINE i ask this.....whats the big deal about a steering ball? its vacuum not a porsche. Y not take the dc7, fix the flaws , add the ddm with a larger impeller. ....keep the price under $300......youll have a vacuum with some credibility that will be taken seriously and not as a niche vac nobody wants to touch. Dump the rest of the line-up of uprights...@ that sorry handheld .reprice the can.....at or below $200....and dyson stays in the game. Tempo is a simple vacuum that has the same quality as the dyson.....yet will outperform all dysons at the low low low price of under $100....thats all that matters. its an issue that dyson cannot and will not address...because he cant. ...400+ engrs. and they cant come up with an upright to meet or beat a Tempo? guess thats ..high end ennovation at work...sometimes simple just works better.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Reply #85 Jul 23, 2009 3:12 pm |
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How many Hoovers have you added since discovering Oreck? No need to keep inferior models like Hoover (if the newer are better). I liked the DC07 and you know that I have not been positive about its replacements.
Since you ask HS, within the last year I purchased 2 more NEW HOOVER TEMPO's, 2 more NEW HOOVER SLIDERS [I think I own the record for the most of these ever purchased by a single buyer], another HOOVER S1351 cann and a TTI/DIRT DEVIL Kruz [does that count?]. Most of which I donated/gifted away. BTW, in the last year I also bought another new XL Classic and gifted away to a family member [making a total of 5 new ORECK's since April 2007]. This most recent one went to a niece with two boys ages 8 and 10. They assist their Mom with the vacuuming using the ORECK. They love it! And as you know, I'm on a list for a new Steam It from ORECK and I have plans to parlay the purchase with the Silver Series ORECK. Very soon I hope.
Dave doesn't have to worry about sales in LV. I do a good job keeping the ORECK sales trend up in LV. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Reply #86 Jul 23, 2009 3:16 pm |
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HI CARMINE i ask this.....whats the big deal about a steering ball? its vacuum not a porsche. Y not take the dc7, fix the flaws , add the ddm with a larger impeller. ....keep the price under $300......youll have a vacuum with some credibility that will be taken seriously and not as a niche vac nobody wants to touch. Dump the rest of the line-up of uprights...@ that sorry handheld .reprice the can.....at or below $200....and dyson stays in the game. Tempo is a simple vacuum that has the same quality as the dyson.....yet will outperform all dysons at the low low low price of under $100....thats all that matters. its an issue that dyson cannot and will not address...because he cant. ...400+ engrs. and they cant come up with an upright to meet or beat a Tempo? guess thats ..high end ennovation at work...sometimes simple just works better.
Agree 'turtle1.' 475 engineers and a price tag of $500 plus and dyson can't design and market a vacuum that's has parity with an $80 HOOVER TEMPO. Eye on the prize! Dyson and the twins just don't get it!
Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Reply #87 Jul 23, 2009 5:44 pm |
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HI CARMINE i ask this.....whats the big deal about a steering ball? its vacuum not a porsche. Y not take the dc7, fix the flaws , add the ddm with a larger impeller. ....keep the price under $300......youll have a vacuum with some credibility that will be taken seriously and not as a niche vac nobody wants to touch. Dump the rest of the line-up of uprights...@ that sorry handheld .reprice the can.....at or below $200....and dyson stays in the game. Tempo is a simple vacuum that has the same quality as the dyson.....yet will outperform all dysons at the low low low price of under $100....thats all that matters. its an issue that dyson cannot and will not address...because he cant. ...400+ engrs. and they cant come up with an upright to meet or beat a Tempo? guess thats ..high end ennovation at work...sometimes simple just works better.
I thought you was a vacuum guru. If handling is unimportant why bother with an Oreck electric broom. Weight is the only sell point and it is directed at the weak and old. After all you may as well use a semi as a Porsche for vacuuming.
Since you work at a vac shop I would like to ask a simple question. Where does the profit come from. I am talking about the most profit that keeps the shop open. 1. New vac sales. 2. Supplies (bags, belts, etc.) 3. vac repairs.
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