Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Before being beaten down about having nothing good to offer, I will say that ORECK and DYSON both market their products in different fasion although the advertizing is put out in the same method,Dyson has the bagless cyclonic,never clogs and looses suction mantra that appeals to the buying public,[HEY OUR VACUUM ALWAYS USE TO CLOG AND THE SUCTION WAS TERRIBLE] So this must work look at all the innovation they put into it.It has a nice long story behind it,So half way through the infomercial or sales pitch on the qvc's etc the potential customers eyes glaze over and buy into it.

Oreck goes at it in similar fashion although weight,made in the states, sanitary disposal,remember the 80 year old woman holding the oreck over her head on the cartons in the dealers, Its all in the marketing both DYSON and ORECK have found its nitch markets,is one better than the other [thats for the customer to decide].

As for dyson and oreck  ITS BEEN A GOOD RIDE. And he who has the slickest ads will win,and the most money.

Lets face it where else can you get people to buy a 89.95 vacuum for 500.00 plus.

b.t.w watch out for falling prices,Its getting tuff out there,all that will be left is wally world, and casinos..................

regards

MOLE

I agree with my colleagues here like MOLE and lazaruspup.  But... the "d" brand falls way short on its business model [sales thru big box retailers] while the timeless ORECK excels by sales/service/parts through ORECK stores nationwide. 

Tho dyson and its supporters here taut more vacuum patents than all the other vacuum brands from the beginning of time, it costs buku money to pay an in-house cadre of lawyers and have on call an outside group of lawyers to protect and defend those patents.  Money that a company with falling sales GLOBALLY year over year for the last 3 years can't afford to shell out.

To ORECK's credit, it scarfed up it's competitor's technology at bargain basement prices.  It owns all of halo's rights now.  A smart business move on ORECK's part.  It didn't cost ORECK the yearly salaries of 475 engineers on staff and who knows how many more high paid lawyers.

Innovation in hard economic times is highly overrated.  A simple basic BISSELL Clearview for $70, ORECK for $199, and HOOVER TEMPO for $85 is an easy sell all the time, not just when times are good.

Carmine D. 

If it is't my two best dyson friends pairing up again.  Business must be bad to have you both here at the same time posting.

DIB, very simple on the bagless models for typical bagged brands.  They are cloning your fave brand and selling cheaper in a down vacuum market/economy to push your high priced brand out!  Dyson may go the same way as halo, and one od the clones might buy up dyson's patent rights dirt cheap.  That's what happens in down markets. 

HS, ORECK did better than your fave brand in 2008 and so far in 2009.  How do I know?  Tom ORECK told me and all others so on national news [FNN].  It's been posted here.  That's why a host of other vacuum brands including the latest Garry are imitating ORECK's giveaways and lightweight products.  Your fave brand too.  As I said, ORECK bought the rights to the competition at bargain basement prices.  Why?  Eliminate the competition.  

Carmine D. 

Again, what are those figures.  I missed them.  I believe that you have said that Dyson fudged on his numbers.  I would class Oreck below Dyson in honesty, therefore I need something other than an Oreck's word.

Dyson is not exactly competition for Oreck.  Dyson buyers prefer cleaning power over gimmick gifts and a machine that has to be rebuilt annually (at best).

HS:

You know that ORECK's sales numbers are proprietary information and released to the public only on a need to know bases.  I'll be as specific about Tom Oreck's remarks on the ORECK financial results for 2008 aired on FNN [which BTW he made in January 2009] as Tom.  ORECK was the first vacuum brand in the industry to comment on 2008 sales results.  What about your fave brand?  Missing in action? 

I'll paraphrase Tom's comments, which were posted here from the FNN video clip:  2008 ORECK sales were not as good as hoped  and predicted BUT were much better than many of our leading competitors' brands.  That's all that really matters.  Dyson and ORECK are competitors.  Most recently since the DC18 Slim for $469 then DC24 ball for $399 which compete head on with ORECK.  The Slim is gone.  Discontinued by dyson.  DC24 is sitting unsold on shelves and will go the way of the DC18 if prices are not slashed.  Meanwhile ORECK is chugging along keeping its competition at bay.  So waht dysons do you and DIB own and use?

Carmine D.

Disagree.  I bought mine and 4 others new for $150 plus shipping and handling.  Now over 2 years old and still going strong.  Same as the others that I gifted away.  They are revered by their users.   ORECK had a stellar year in 2008 and so far this year.  While most vacuum brand sales suffered and fell drastically. 

Carmine D.

HS:

You know that ORECK's sales numbers are proprietary information and released to the public only on a need to know bases.  I'll be as specific about Tom Oreck's remarks on the ORECK financial results for 2008 aired on FNN [which BTW he made in January 2009] as Tom.  ORECK was the first vacuum brand in the industry to comment on 2008 sales results.  What about your fave brand?  Missing in action? 

I'll paraphrase Tom's comments, which were posted here from the FNN video clip:  2008 ORECK sales were not as good as hoped and predicted BUT were much better than many of our leading competitors' brands.  That's all that really matters.  Dyson and ORECK are competitors.  Most recently since the DC18 Slim for $469 then DC24 ball for $399 which compete head on with ORECK.  The Slim is gone.  Discontinued by dyson.  DC24 is sitting unsold on shelves and will go the way of the DC18 if prices are not slashed.  Meanwhile ORECK is chugging along keeping its competition at bay.  So waht dysons do you and DIB own and use?

Carmine D.

So would the dyson twins [HS/DIB] like to tell us which new dyson models they have purchased and used in their own homes so far this year? 

• The newest full size ball for $500?
• The lightweight ball for $400? 
• The midget DC22 cann with digital motor for $700 and 7 inch cleaning swath?  Remember the dealer dyson that premiered at the VDTA in Feb 2009 and then disappeared!  Only to show up in a few big box retailers.
• One of the latest handhelds like the DC30/31 for $250-$275 that runs for 10 minutes [in the slow mode and 5 in high] on a charge? 
• The DC27, a regurgitated DC17 with a few extra more tools, for $479.  Launched at Sam's Club in October 2008.  How many customer reviews to date?  5 so far in 8 months.  Wow!  That's a real success/sales winner.
• DC28 for $600?  Your fave company finally realized that some US homes with a variety of rugs/carpets actually do require a manual height adjustment.  475 dyson engineers and almost 8 years later of selling/telling the US vacuum public a self-adjusting brush head nozzle is the best for them and Sir James gets an epiphany.  What industry innovation:  A manual rug height adjustment!  Of course like all things dyson it comes with a huge price.

You bought so many that you needed a dyson ball barrow to take them home in!  Another innovative dyson advance that disappeared into oblivion, like the contra rotating washers and air blade hand dryers.  But alas all is not lost.  If some maker decides to steal the so much in demand product patents, Sir James and his merry band of high paid lawyers can sue.  That's one way to make money when the products don't sell in the market.  Of course the lawyers get most if not all of the proceeds in retainers and legal fees!  Now that's innovation. Full employment for the surplus supply of US lawyers! 

Carmine D.