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DysonInventsBig


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Original Message   Mar 1, 2009 5:50 pm
Story here:  http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/40463852.html

This message was modified Mar 1, 2009 by DysonInventsBig



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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Reply #34   Apr 15, 2009 7:46 am
I suspect the same for cars applies to vacuums and vacuum buyers. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD


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Reply #35   Apr 15, 2009 8:01 am
DysonInventsBig wrote:
What do you think the suits were motivated by mostly?...

  1. Oreck’s inability to come close to matching TTI’s patented technologies, features, styling and price?  or...
  2. The exclusive to JC Penney Avocado Green?  or...
  3. Oreck’s brand name, margins and advertising budget?  or...
  4. Other reasons?

DIB



Get real DIB.  Money.  Bet the winner and take home the profits with increased sales and customers.

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Reply #36   Apr 15, 2009 1:01 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
New in stores and already discounted by 25%.  NOT A GOOD SIGN.



The ORECK difference is that all the new ORECK prices are similarly discounted across all retail venues.  Thus, the ORECK prices that consumers pay are always the same regardless of the ORECK retailers.  An advantage of the ORECK business model.  Vacuum makers using big box retail store venues oftentimes have the retailers undercutting their MSRP and MAP to move the vacuum products.  Often at the expense of the products' price integrity and the independent vacuum store owners/operators who carry the brands/models and can't compete with the big box store prices. 

Carmine D.

Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
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Reply #37   Apr 15, 2009 1:17 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hi Venson:</p><p>The GM Segway vehicle rickshaw showed off at the NY Auto Show last week is the latest in whimsical show-mobiles.  Shows that the traditional big 3 car makers can think outside the box.  But they have little connection to what consumers will see coming to the showrooms in 2, 5, 10 years from now.</p><p>Big car makers have learned that it takes as long as 10 years to get significant new technology ready for mass market deployment.  Why?  Cost.  So what do they do?  Incremental improvement.  Less expensive.</p><p>Most cars can get 10-15 percent better fuel mileage improvement for an additional $500 per vehicle.  Vice a hybrid fuel efficient model that can cost  $3000-$5000 more per model.   At $2 a gallon, demand for the higher mileage high priced hybrids is waning by US car buyers.  A big worry for car makers who invested billions in hybrids.</p><p>Carmine D.

Hiya Carmine,

How's it going? Point well taken but I think in this specific case we need a change right now and for such reason we might be best served to carry a grudge for a while. The next gas crunch could be around the corner. Purely my feeling but big business always has some ploy to lay a case against change or more appropriate pricing on.

It's best to keep pushing for more highly fuel-efficient/low emission cars. They are much needed as a large part of the rest of the world wants what we want too -- a certain amount of convenience. An increase of "convenience" may prove hard for the planet to bear if everybody else becomes able to follow suit. For the time being war, disease and famine elsewhere have spared us much worry over our lot. Yet, as of late, we're being shown how close we are to the edge.

Personally, I have no big stake in conservation or concern over Earth's ecosystem. When I'm gone -- I'll be gone. However, there are those with children and grand children who should think about what they are leaving behind. One's legacy is more than what he leaves in the bank. Money won't always be able to buy better air.

Venson
CarmineD


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Reply #38   Apr 16, 2009 8:43 am
Venson wrote:
Hiya Carmine,

How's it going? Point well taken but I think in this specific case we need a change right now and for such reason we might be best served to carry a grudge for a while. The next gas crunch could be around the corner. Purely my feeling but big business always has some ploy to lay a case against change or more appropriate pricing on.

It's best to keep pushing for more highly fuel-efficient/low emission cars. They are much needed as a large part of the rest of the world wants what we want too -- a certain amount of convenience. An increase of "convenience" may prove hard for the planet to bear if everybody else becomes able to follow suit. For the time being war, disease and famine elsewhere have spared us much worry over our lot. Yet, as of late, we're being shown how close we are to the edge.

Personally, I have no big stake in conservation or concern over Earth's ecosystem. When I'm gone -- I'll be gone. However, there are those with children and grand children who should think about what they are leaving behind. One's legacy is more than what he leaves in the bank. Money won't always be able to buy better air.

Venson


Hi Venson:

I agree with a huge caveat.  Like the Beatle's Song:  It's getting better all the time.  The internal gas combustion engine is improving [tho incrementally] and is now leaps and bounds over its early days design and function.  It will be the mainstay of the auto industry for decades to come despite the hybrids.  Like the direct path suction upright.  Here forever.  Sanitaire, KIRBY, ORECK ......................

Carmine D.

Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900


Reply #39   Apr 16, 2009 2:17 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hi Venson:

I agree with a huge caveat.  Like the Beatle's Song:  It's getting better all the time.  The internal gas combustion engine is improving [tho incrementally] and is now leaps and bounds over its early days design and function.  It will be the mainstay of the auto industry for decades to come despite the hybrids.  Like the direct path suction upright.  Here forever.  Sanitaire, KIRBY, ORECK ......................

Carmine D.

Hi Carmine,

Yeah, but look what happened to John Lennon . . .

I'd still like to see more forward movement toward alternative fuels whether man-produced or solar electricity or natural like ethanol and recycled cooking oil. Whatever works is fine by me and even better if it is minimally disruptive or destructive in regard to the environment. Oil's okay by me too but I should like to begin to feel no need to worry over hindrance from whoever has a hand on the valves in the oil fields. All we have to do is start thinking and acting before the well runs dry.

Our problem here is that we are so used to simple luxury -- many of which the most simple, to the rest of the world, are just sweet dreams. We forget that the things we receive are not promised or ours by right but are purely blessings for which we have no guarantee. Unfortunately, that idea doesn't come to mind until we're lined up in our cars because of fuel rationing or facing exorbitant prices. I think it's better to bolster up the house BEFORE the inevitable storm than afterward.

As for vacuums, there are some plain and design ideas that will remain around and giving good service a long time as well. Not everybody feels the need or want for the latest doo-dads. By the way, it just occurred to me that the Air-Rider canister is officially dead. True?

Venson
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894


Reply #40   Apr 16, 2009 4:53 pm
Venson wrote:
Hi Carmine,

Yeah, but look what happened to John Lennon . . .

I'd still like to see more forward movement toward alternative fuels whether man-produced or solar electricity or natural like ethanol and recycled cooking oil. Whatever works is fine by me and even better if it is minimally disruptive or destructive in regard to the environment. Oil's okay by me too but I should like to begin to feel no need to worry over hindrance from whoever has a hand on the valves in the oil fields. All we have to do is start thinking and acting before the well runs dry.

Our problem here is that we are so used to simple luxury -- many of which the most simple, to the rest of the world, are just sweet dreams. We forget that the things we receive are not promised or ours by right but are purely blessings for which we have no guarantee. Unfortunately, that idea doesn't come to mind until we're lined up in our cars because of fuel rationing or facing exorbitant prices. I think it's better to bolster up the house BEFORE the inevitable storm than afterward.

As for vacuums, there are some plain and design ideas that will remain around and giving good service a long time as well. Not everybody feels the need or want for the latest doo-dads. By the way, it just occurred to me that the Air-Rider canister is officially dead. True?

Venson



Hi Venson:

You should run for national office!  I'd campaign and vote for you.

WRT the Air Rider, I hadn't officially heard of its demise.  But, in the current economic environment, I'm not the least surprised.  More will go from niche to naught.  Why?  Consumers are "trading down" in the current hard times.  As a result, they acquire frugal spending habits that last long after the good days return.  It's a double whammy for high priced niche consumer goods, like the Air Rider.

Carmine D.

Acerone


Joined: Jul 25, 2007
Points: 986


Reply #41   Apr 21, 2009 11:38 pm
Look close when watching this Video... What do you see "read" on the canister.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr-aT8sYNN8
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894


Reply #42   Apr 22, 2009 3:02 am
Hello Acerone:

Hard to miss.  Gotta love it! 

WRT rug cleaning by the Dual V.  Note the build up of dirt where the rug meets the wall/floor moldingas the user goes over with the Dual V.  The Dual V won't get that out unless and user has to get down with a hand brush and clean to do the job completely.  An upright with good edge cleaning will prevent that dirt build up in the rug and molding seam.  Like ORECK!

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894


Reply #43   Apr 22, 2009 12:53 pm
Acerone wrote:
Look close when watching this Video... What do you see "read" on the canister.


Talking about printed labels on vacuum canisters, I recently repaired a EUREKA BOSS Smart Vac upright for the local Church.  Plastered on the front bag compartment cover were two big bold labels:  Rated a Best Buy by Consumers' Digest.  And Outcleans dyson by 60 percent for half the money.  In hard economic times, these advertising labels sell product!  People looking at a $100-$130 upright repair bill will buy a new vacuum like the EUREKA for a few dollars more.  Typically the EUREKA BOSS Smart Vac upright sells for $135-$150 at most big box retailers and while not made in the USA, it is made in Mexico, our next door neighbor. 

Carmine D.

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