Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

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DIB,

In reading about the statement "Never Loses Suction" , I see a big error and that is all cleaners can say they never lose suction . If you seal the suction of any vacuum with an inches of waterlift gage it will read the same reading everytime full of dirt or not. That is how Filter Queen had shown people no loss of suction in their bagless vacuum for years.

Dyson shows 250 Airwatts on the DC-14 , 220 Airwatts DC-17 , 135 Airwatts DC-24,  220 Airwatts DC-25 ( the ball) , and 245 Airwatts  DC-28. That was the suction of many cleaners back in 1990. Today there are machines with much more than that. Aren't you regressing a bit ?

                                                                                        Procare

procare wrote:

Hello Procare:

Welcome.  I agree and add that the filter maintenance [washing in tap water with 24 hours plus for dry time] on dyson's latest and greatest DC28 is 3 months for for pre/final filters.  Regressed here too from the 6 or more months previous cleaning schedules for dysons.  I suspect the reduction in suction power requires more frequent filter cleaning to allow normal operation.  With an increase in price too.  $600. 

Carmine D.

  The DC-28 sounds like it is not made for the American carpets.With the pneumatic acuator and STIFF brushes going deeper into the pile a couple of things would happen.  ONE ) The carpet would be frayed in a year's use and  TWO) airflow would be deminished because of the seal it would cause. Our carpets, the majority have a plastic moisture barrier to keep water from going through because of hot water extraction. In the earlier carpets they breath due to jute back carpeting. That is why older Kirby s could seal to the floor and clean , today they need air openings to let airflow.

                                                                                                                            Procare

procare wrote:
Procare,

How do you think NAD would respond to the old Filter Queens (rep’s) claims of "No loss of suction" if advertised today?  Today FQ does not advertise this claim, because scientifically it’s old practices and claims (you describe) can be proven false. The vac world had and still has plenty of con men.

When you compare today's Dyson’s to other vacuums, you failed to mention that paper media or like vacuums quickly choke/d and their advertised performance dropped (suction drop).  Why did you not mention this?

The masses agree with Dyson, that is, they know all filter media clog and loose performance/huge performance loss.  The sack N choke dealers and sack N choke enthusiast can kick and scream about Dyson all they want, but the manufacturers they favor or represent can’t do a dam thing about it.  They can’t prove their sacks don’t choke and can't prove their products don’t loose performance.  Since Dyson launched in 2002 sack N choke manufacturers have not taken advantage of the powerful and mighty NAD to stop Dyson's claims.  Why?  Promoting sack N choke vacuums as new and exciting is regressing a bit, don't you think?


DIB

DIB:

Why are dyson dealers discounting DC28's already, just a month into the launch?  At one time, dyson was adamant about maintaining MSRP on the latest and greatest.  What's happening now?  Price wars so soon on the DC28?  HSN claiming falsely it has exclusive sales on the new dyson airmuscle technology and selling for $599.  Dyson bull shined HSN?  Dealers are discounting the airmuscle for $509-$529.  Is this dyson approved?  How will this sit with HSN buyers who pay $599 under false pretenses and claims only to find that other retailers are selling cheaper?  Can you answer these questions?  Careful.  No half truths and lies allowed here by order of your twin HS. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Why is Oreck reducing prices, throwing in extra freebies and selling in BB stores?  Sounds as if they are getting desperate.

HARDSELL wrote:

Unlike you, who can't own up and answer the dyson's price wars on the DC28 so you divert to ORECK, I'll answer your question.  Simple.  Expand and conquer.  ORECK is looking to score sales in retailers' stores like COSTCO as these retailers cull dysons from their shelves and make room for better vacuum sellers.  Go with the business man and brand that has a 45 year rep in the industry.  Scrub the failing newbie that wishes he did. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

You directed the question to DIB.  No diversion. Just a simple observation.

If I had an Oreck store I would be pithed.  Same as the indys are with Dyson for bypassing them.  Of course you think it is OK for Oreck.

HARDSELL wrote:

HS:

You and your twin constantly run interference with others' posts as diversion when the pressure mounts.

Remember ORECK doesn't ahve to depend on third party retailers for sales like dyson does.  Whatever sales ORECK makes in COSTCO, Penny's, BEST BUY, etc is icing on the cake.  The bulk of its annual sales are directly thru ORECK/ORECK stores.  Too bad James didn't take a page from ORECK's business model. 

Carmine D.