Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

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mole wrote:
Mole,

Of course you changed HS words deliberately to fit your motives.  Carmine (a fellow dealer-brother con) said it was a computer error and that too was a con.

Profit margin is KING with independent dealers.  Dealers turn down Dyson primarily for this reason only.  The DC07 has a miniscule $120 or so margin and a $0 bags and belts margin.  Economics (huge margins of hyped tired vacuums), not Dyson products are the reasons Dyson is lied about by bad-mouthing-sellers of competitive vacuums and/or there are the jealous of Dyson’s success independents too.  So-called hi-end vac’s have margins 4-8 times that of the DC07, anyone can do the math.  Many in sales/services of all kinds are happy with their career choices. Yet and for some pathetic reason many bad-mouthing part swapper independent Dealers are frustrated when they watch what looks to them...  was easy money and fame Dyson achieved.  Bad-mouthing independents fail to recognize Sir James is very intelligent and this God given intelligence and courage and against the odds determination and not luck made him.  As for your Dyson likes to sue and other garbage claims, they too are simply another con... I’ve seen many of the lawsuits and Dyson has very few on file.  So the Dyson is sue-happy con that you and Carmine use is just that...  a con.

Dyson spends/has spent up to $45m annually in U.S. advertising.  When your hyped-made with in the public domain, off-the-shelf parts and design vacuums spend nothing in advertising this translates into bigger margins for independent dealers.  And since the tired vacuum manufacturers spend little to nothing in R&D this translates into more or bigger margins for the independent dealers.  Manufacturers sell em cheap and vac’s are marked up astronomically and hyped as special.  They vac alike/almost alike and filter no better than any sack N choke.

Remember...  inventors like Dyson do what they do so guys like you can wake up and have a job.  Bad-mouther’s and rock-throwers are a dime-a-dozen, creators of life changing, job creating, wealth creating widgets or service’s are not.

Remember... it was you who illustrated how easy it is to make strong sack N choke vacuums using junk parts.  Vice Dyson...  Dyson holds many utility patents, which translates into world exclusives and moneymakers.  The vac’s you sell can be equaled with junk parts and sold to the public and it’s all perfectly legal.  Not so with Dyson.  Bissell and TTI for example had to wait (or almost) 20 years until they could make a dual cyclone.  The Ball is a Dyson world exclusive and moneymaker and cannot be copied until year 2025 or so.  Dyson has the cleanest hose/wand combo exclusive on the planet.  Again, your high margined, "hyped as special vac’s" can be made and equaled/near equaled and sold publicly using junk parts and it's all perfectly legal.  Not so with Dyson, patent laws protect Dyson, a reward system for hard work and intelligence.


DIB

P.S.  Certainly many independents are honest, but most are not.  Independents and/or their enthusiast’s buddies are the number one Dyson bad-mouther’s posing as consumers at review sites.  Fact.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Fact! It's ironic that you spelled intelligence wrong. :D

lazaruspup wrote:
Pointing to a misspell, all the while not saying a word to the many Dyson bad-mouther's who fail to capitalize, punctuate and who basically write like 4th graders.  Typical.

DIB

Hello DIB:

It's a con that HS did it deliberately.  He's yanking your chain and you reacted just as predicted.  A tirade against the personal and professional integrity and business acumen of people, who in most cases, have been in the vacuum industry for more years than you been taking breaths.  You would have us believe that these business professionals did so in bad times and good by being dishonest?  Now that's a con par excellence. 

Carmine D

mole wrote:

Hello MOLE:

I'll second that and DIB's response is proof positive.  As usual MOLE, you hit the nail on the head!  Nice work!

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

As you know TOM GASKO was a long time advocate of dyson in the beginning even before it moved here.  His support for dyson and James is legendary.  Probably your mentor.  At one point even considering calling his store the dyson store.  I advised him against it.  if he's honest he'll tell you so.  His actions and public words caused SIMPLICITY to drop him because TOM was not meeting the rules and regs of an authorized dealer.  TOM was upset.  I told him at the time to bide his time and all things would get resolved.  If he's honest he'll tell you so.  It appears now I was right on both accounts.  As MOLE said, you miss TOM as a dyson dealer partner here.  You and HS are left w/o Matt mmc Airblade too.  The old dyson crowd is dwindling with time and a track record.  The test of time.  That's how independents stay in business for the long haul.  They pass with integrity the test of time. 

Carmine D. 

Hey DIB.
I see your still following the Dyson credo,I am happy for you,of course you have to or else Jimmy would cut you loose like GASKO.The indys are in business to make a living just like you, Any independent that can handle this downturn are going to comeback even stronger, Just so you know many already have,Its not by luck but by knowledge and treating the customer right,Trust me its not always about the money motive.

You can mark my words By the time i get done with dyson and his band of thieves and con men.They will be growing their own potatoes again ,just to survive,,,,,,,,,,,,


regards

MOLE

Carmine,

I quite enjoyed your “computer error” claim when you tried to cover for Mole’s re-edit.  That was one of your weakest and obvious attempts at conning the readers.   But I loved it for its entertainment value.  Like I said before, you must have been quite “something” back in the day and back in your shop.  Your belief system or style is always the same…  serving yourself all the while making the buyer feel you’re on his/her side.  So where does your Dyson jealousy come from… an insecurity?  I think many dealers and enthusiasts are frustrated and attack Dyson (man and business) because they are good part swappers but cannot get past this point, Dyson is the poster child to their frustration.  Am I close?

Oops, did I call the bad-mouthing and frustrated "part swappers"?  It was probably a computer glitch.


Mole,

Dyson will be around for a long while, and it will not just be in vacuums.  You need to educate yourself about the man you attack.  He knows how to get things done and knows the value of innovations that solve problems.  I must say his competitors have woken up somewhat, but they still have yet to invent anything big.  Dyson is the industries innovation leader.  Dyson indirectly spoon-fed this tired and slothful industry.  And not because I say so, but because competitors produce product that resembles Dyson and ONLY after Dyson launched (his various products).


DIB

There you go again DIB.  When you can't dispute the facts you digress and go with personal attacks.  I stick to the products and their pros and cons.  Be honest and straight forward with customers and they keep coming back [for over 40 years in the same location and still].  Make false, misleading, exaggerated and untrue product claims about what your products can/can't do, and the truth eventually prevails.  If your father pawned off hamburger meat as filet mignon and charged customers accordingly, I suspect his 3 restaurants would not have survived for very long.  The vacuum biz is no different. 

Your belief system is as self-serving as you have always been here.  Where you stand depends on where you sit.  You are clearly a dyson pawn here just as TOM was for a long period of time.  You believe and ssay if a dealer sells dyson it is honest and business worthy.  If the dealer doesn't, as most indies don't, they are liars and jealous of James' success.  DIB, that line is getting old here.  It works for a short time when dyson doesn't have a track record.  Now that it does, the dyson failures speak for themselves.  Mediocre performance anfd products with luxury prices.  A con par excellence.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

Let me say for MOLE that this is classic DIB dyson bull shine with sugar coating.  Dyson products' reps are the laughing stock of the USA vacuum industry.  Even among authorized dyson dealers.  Get real and visit the indies and talk with them and look around their shops and stores.  See what they say directly about dysons' products and James.  Not liked at all.  Just the opposite.  They'll tell you he is no vacuum man.

Don't even talk about wheel barrows, hand dryers, washing machines and other dyson failed products.  It makes them laugh hysterically.  You're living in a dream world DIB.  Follow TOM's lead and others here.  Jump off the dyson ship before it goes down and you're left without a life preserver.  TOM did.  Joined back in with the TACONY ranks.

Carmine D.