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http://www.hoover.com/platinum/

Thanks TTIpowerT,

I was happy to get a look at the entire Platinum collection. I haven't seen the new canister before. I'm interested to see how well it will fare. Of course the "no loss of suction" statement did not escape me. Wonder if you know who will sue.

Venson

Hi Venson:

Just my gut feel here.  Brands are given more freedom on what they say on their own Web sites [short of lying] with regard to their own vacuum's attributes.  Where they run into problems is in advertising the same claims in comparison to other brands in a line up and/or with major retailers making these same product claims.

Carmine D.

Venson wrote:
As I stated in a thread a few days ago, the canister is simply another rehash of a TTI produced Hoover Elite Canister that looks to be only available at Sears and Amazon. It is the original Vax bagless canister design that Vax used to compete against Dyson from the early 2000's. I check it out at Sears in person when I was in the market and found it to be less than a desirable design, working off the cyclonic bagless design with a HEPA filter that needs replacement. It was very close to the old Fantom designs. As an owner of the Platinum Bagged Upright, I don't think I would spend the same on a redesigned model that hasn't gotten great reviews or seen much exposure. I thought the Platinum line was supposed to be the TTI creme de la creme.

Venson wrote:
Suing thieves, now that’s an idea.  Red-Hoover does a hell-of-a-job when it comes to copying others.  They fall flat on their face when it comes to having their own [radical] break-thru ideas.

China's IP abuses...
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=607074904984

lazaruspup wrote:
Hi lazaruspup,

You may well be right about the canister's merely being a throw-in but I guess they already spent a bundle on the rechargeable stick and both of the other new uprights plus the little cann -- not to mention the new bagged S3670 canister they put out a while back. In any event, I have not been aware of any special promo efforts on TTI's part regarding this specific model.

Venson

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/090220/ny73274.html?.v=1


Oscars are part of the launch according to press release.

Yeah it might sound crazy but if they had put a little R&D into a bagged Platinum canister or a better designed bagless canister, I might have invested in the cann as well as the bagged upright. I hope Hoover can get some good publicity and put forth a longstanding good product; there are a lot of good workers still left at TTI in Ohio that need some positive sales and morale boost.

That new carpet cleaner looks very interesting, especially with the brush roll+Spin Scrub agitation (I would like to know if they're motor driven or air driven), and the channeled exhaust nozzle directed into the carpet. The price is rather high at $450-$500, and I would not hesitate to jump into the Rug Doctor price range if this new Platinum carpet cleaner isn't up to high standards. Anyone planning on getting the new Platinum carpet cleaner?

The praiseworthy rankings and ratings of the HOOVER TTI uprights received the primary discussions here.  Tho not mentioned probably due to the overshadowing of its uprights, are the HOOVER canisters which fared very well too.  For example, in the number 4 spot is the H-S3670 with a MSRP $300 and in number 7 is the H-S3765 with a MSRP $250.  Both get CR's coveted "Best Buy" recommendations.  Considering that only 3 of the 21 canns receive the CR Best Buy for March 2009 and HOOVER gets 2, speaks volumes from the CR perspective.  BTW, the number one spot for Kenmore's Intuition rated a CR "recommended" not a BEST BUY probably due to the high price of $600.

Considering too that uprights are still the more popular vacuum of choice by Americans vice canns,  HOOVER TTI is excelling in a total venue of floor care products especially when compared with its current more pricey and oft more praised competition. 

CR is clearly impressed with the HOOVER TTI vacuum line up.  Bodes well for the brand and its sales. 

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Even better, suing liars.

Carmine D.

So I thought I would post a little update on the Platinum Lightweight Bagged combo. This week I won a vacuum in an online contest but wasn't sure what it was going to be. The contest just said, we'll send you a vacuum to review, and if you review it, it's yours to keep. Well Friday, a box showed up at my door and low and behold inside was a Bissell Healthy Home Bagless Vacuum. I didn't really even consider opening it, I was going to go donate it to charity, but the curiosity got the best of me. So I gave it the old, sweep with the old vacuum and go over with the new. I ran the bagged Platinum throughout the house under the beds, area rugs, hardwoods, tile, and all. I then put the Healthy Home together. First impression, what a monster! This thing is about one and half times the size of a DC14 and about twice as heavy. I can't imagine anyone trying to push this thing around thats not in good health. I ran the Healthy Home throughout the house and was downright astounded at the results. The Healthy Home trounced the Hoover. I literally had to empty the HH halfway through, then keep going. By the time I was done, I had emptied twice and still had more dog hair and small particle dirt in the bin. I am now stuck with the dilemma. I love the Platinum but why isn't it working this well? I have posted a full review of the Healthy Home over in the reviews if anyone wants to read it.

Hi laz,

The Hoover Platinum is a different animal. It is direct air and pulls about 400 watts and the Healthy Home has a lot more suction power. If there is anything lacking regarding the Platinum it may be the brushroll design. Hoover started out with machines that did well and used the same amount of power as the Platinum -- or even less.

This is not to say the Platinum is bad. It may serve best when used on a frequent basis. My feeling remains that the more you vacuum -- with whatever you have to use -- the less chance for stuff becoming embedded and building up in your rugs. That' said . . .

The Healthy Home did get good ratings in Consumer Reports. It rated "very good" on carpets, excellent on bare floors and emissions and scored "good" for suction, noise and pet hair pick-up. "Fair" was the score it got for handling. If you really like the results you get and don't mind the extra weight, then it would seem obvious that you should keep the Healthy Home 'cause even better, it's free.

By the way, I'm jealous. I haven't won anything since 1993.

Best,

Venson

Venson wrote:

Need to come to Vegas, Venson.

Carmine D.

lazaruspup wrote:

Did you note the brush roll in the BISSELL HH looks like the HOOVER WT brushroll?

Carmine D.

<BR> CarmineD wrote: <BR>Venson/Carmine,<BR><BR>Its funny you mention that because out of pure curiosity I dissected some of the Bissell yesterday to see what all is at work. The brushroll, as yes I noted in my review, looks remarkable like the WT brushroll. Now, I will say it does not work like the WT brushroll to the effect of pulling items into the airpath. I did the rice test that I mentioned in the Hoover Bagged review on the Bissell and low and behold it pulled the rice in without scatter but it did not pull from beyond the head like the Platinum did. You can notice when you use the Platinum that items within about an inch of the head to the front and to the sides get pulled in because of the airflow. Unfortunately though those items become scattered when they hit the brushroll that can't be shut off. Also I saw you took a trip to Best Buy and played with the models there. I can confirm the head on the Bagged model does not touch the floor effectively. At all times I could slip a finger between the head and the rug that I was vacuuming. <BR><BR>Laz

Hi,

Check out the HSN spot for the Platinum stick vac (click on "video" icon). Also check out customer reviews.

http://home-solutions.hsn.com/hoover-platinum-collection-cordless-stick-vacuum-with-lithium-ion-battery-and-charger_pf-377985_xp.aspx?club_id=377985&sz=888&sf=HW0090&rdr=1&cm_mmc=Shopping%20Engine-_-NexTag-_-Home%20Solutions-_-Hoover

Best,

Venson

Hi Venson:

Did these reviews convince you to go with the Lynx cordless HOOVER WT stick vice the Flair?  Despite the cost difference?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Hi Carmine,

I am always more interested in what people who have actually bought and brought home a product have to say. Yes, I may well be inclined to want one but just this moment it is not a practical expense and for my purposes, a quick run up and down the stairs, may be overkill. This is probably best for someone with a lot of living space to spruce up. If you saw the video, did you notice that run time was never mention and that the same machine was not used throughout?

I'm prepared to wait or keep an eye peeled on pricegrabber.com and eBay to get the best deal I can. The $180 price may well be due to TTI's not anticipating much after market money coming in on this particular machine. Filters are washable, no bags are required and batteries should be viable for at least a couple of years.

Then again, my friends up the who gave me the great deal on the S7 might make another offer I just can't refuse.

Venson

Venson wrote:

Hi Venson:

I did, in fact I recorded/viewed when launched on HSN.  Only 70 HOOVER Lynx Cordless sticks to sell at the time. HSN uses several models in their TV demoes.  I believe for visual effects.  If I recall, the run time is 12-15 minutes and if I recall correctly, and I don't always, the charge time is 3 hours.  The Lynx cordless, tho a quicker picker upper, gives MIELE a run for the money.  If users continue to be impressed with the HOOVER Lynx cordless, I wouldn't be surprised to see an updated model and version very soon at a slightly higher price.

Carmine D.

Hiya Carmine,

Miele already produces two bagged sticks. One model can be fitted with the Miele PN of your choice. They're good but as usual pricey.

Last night, I of course perused eBay and sure enough the Platinum stick is there priced from over $300 to as low as $109.

Venson

Venson wrote:

Hi Venson:

MIELE needs to get on the "stick" so to speak and scrub paper bags for sticks.  They are passe.  People want to buy inexpensive hand/stick vacuums that are bagless and don't cost alot of extra time/money to use/reuse daily.  Bags should be reserved for full-sized vacuums with full-size vacuum dirt capacities unless vacuum customers don't mind all the up close and personal dirt bin dumping. 

Carmine D.

The HOOVER Platinum Collection:  Bagless full sized upright, lightweight bagged upright and companion compact canister, and cordless power stick vacuum, all with windtunnel technology, are selling at Wal*Mart stores now.  W*M has a shelf load of the cordless sticks.  Good planning on its part.

Carmine D. 

CarmineD wrote:
They have been on the shelves for a few weeks.  Of course the Bissell HH has already been reported to be a much better performer.

Wait sir.  Now I'm confused more than with the clutch/motorized brush roll on the DC27 now.  HH for Healthy Home upright vice a cordless power stick?  You got me now HS.  Is this a last minute April Fool's Day ploy?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
I did not notice this as being a cordless stick.

So a last update on the Hoover Platinum at my house. So after winning the HH, I was vexed on whether to return the Platinum or to relegate to my mom. Well I happened to go to an estate sale over the weekend and picked up a a Bissell ProLite bagged upright for a couple bucks. The thing looks brand spankin' new. I brought it home, called around to find a bag and loaded up the ProLite and the bagged Platinum and off to mom's house. They have wall to wall thick plush carpet that is about ten years old. It has had a Dyson DC07 used on it for about 4 years with the occasional use of a Bissell Widetrak. My dad hates getting the Dyson out. I ran the Platinum through the house with a fresh bag and noticed something odd. The doggy smell that I normally didn't get until about week two at my house was immediately noticeable at my mom's. I thought this might mean that the vac was picking up more crud at her house. I then put a fresh bag in the ProLite and ran it throughout the entire house. No smell and much quieter, even though its a tandem fan direct air upright. I checked the bags after I was done and wouldn't you know it, the ProLite had TWICE as much dirt and hair in it than the Platinum. Now just for arguments sake, I ran the Dyson back over all this area and didn't pick much else up, some dander and small particulate. So, the Platinum went back to the store, thank goodness for Wally World's 90 day return policy. The $5 ProLite is now my mom's primary machine and I'll sell her Dyson on eBay and get a hundred bucks out of it. Thus ends the Hoover saga at our house. I am not sure I'll venture to buy another Hoover product unless they invent the robot vacuum that empties itself, that MIGHT bring me back around. :)

HARDSELL wrote:

Try re-reading the my post you excerpted.  It's there.  W*M has a shelve load of cordless power WT sticks.  Much to the chagrin of other local retailers who are out of stock.  W*M was correct in concluding that it would be a popular seller and performer.  If you have the time and inclination read the reviews of the HSN buyers for the WT cordless lynx stick.  Very impressive.

Carmine D.

lazaruspup wrote:

Excellent!  Thank you.  Based on your review here and posts, I've scrubbed the lightweight and companion canister from my list.  I'll probably upgrade the 2 year old ORECK upright instead. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

You should do the reading.  I know you have a problem with apprehending.

You named 3 Hoovers are at WM.  I said that you are late with the news.  I compared the HH with one that you named.

Pay attention.

A BISSELL Healthy Home is a full sized upright and should not be compared pound for pound with the HOOVER/TTI lightweight bagged upright and/or Lynx bagless cordless power stick.  Possibly the full sized HOOVER/TTI bagless upright, but then the BISSELL HH has been around for a number of years with an established performance reputation.  The latest HOOVER/TTI Platinum bagless is just months old.  Granted too with the 5 year warranty and the HOOVER WT brush roll look-alike the BISSELL HEALTHY HOME, especially with its consistently high Consumer Reports ratings and price tag of $250 [before discounts] is a winner on all accounts.  On that last point, I agree with you sir.

Carmine D. 

CarmineD wrote:

So you admit that the light weight Orecks and Hoovers are inferior to a full size vacuum.  What is full size?  You report on how big Oreck and other bags are. I never figured why.  It would take months to fill the smallest bag made using an Oreck. I believe that Oreck is as wide as full sized.  Both Hoover and Oreck advertise how the out perform all others.

Yet, each time a Hoover or Oreck is out performed you tell us not to compare to full sized vacs.  I suppose full size is related to superior performance and not physical size.

HARDSELL wrote:

Like you said, there are always exceptions.  ORECK is an exception.  Interestingly, Consumer Reports, like you, never makes distinctions on vacuums by size/weight, except by label, and ranks and rates all equally.  CR does however separate canisters, sticks, and handhelds from uprights.  As is most appropriate.

BTW, just to repeat myself for the benefit of those who missed it:  HOOVER/TTI is offering the lightweight bagged/companion compact canister on TV ads for 5 payments of $90.  Just like ORECK.  ORECK was also the exception for vacuum sales in 2008.  While not record setting, ORECK sales held their own in one of the worse economic downturns since the Great Depression of the 30's.  AND bought out the rights of the now defunct halo vacuums in 2008, which went belly up so quickly, in large part due to the bad US economy. 

Carmine D.

Monk, the proverbial poster child for clean freaks with OCD, is the latest HOOVER/TTI TV spokesman for the latest 6 Platinum floorcae collection.  Careful that's him with the accucharge cordless power handcleaner finding and eating dirt wherever it lies. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Both characters are fictional.  I wonder what Hoover spent in promotional fees to be on the stupid show.

HARDSELL wrote:

Sounds like a tad bid of jealousy.  If it were dyson, you'd be singing his praises.  The king of clean.

Carmine D.