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bucks03


Joined: Feb 17, 2008
Points: 76

Vax Mach UK and Hoover Mach US
Original Message   Feb 14, 2009 8:38 am
Hi.

I downloaded an operating manual of the Hoover Mach 3 from US web site and also the Vax Mach 3 UK www.vax.co.uk.  The operating manual for the Hoover states in the warning SECTION that "This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and reproductive toxicity.  Wash hands after handling"  I have looked at the Vax brochure and there is no mention of this.  Obviously this product will also have this,  why is it not mentioned in the Vax manual?  It seems strange.  Is there a difference in laws that it has to be mentioned in the Californian state but in UK it doesn't matter?

I wonder how many other manufacturers have  this 'danger' to their products.

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DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Vax Mach UK and Hoover Mach US
Reply #15   Feb 17, 2009 2:57 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
I’m not confused, when Red-TTI steals Dyson’s dual cyclone filtration invention and “No Loss Of Suction” messaging and then builds using cancer causing materials, it says much of their lack of moral principles.  Red-TTI says the knock-off can cause cancer, and I believe them.  Printing error?  How about seeing them and posting of them for what they are...  snakes.

DIB

Venson wrote:
Whatever you say . . .


Sounds like your trust in Red-TTI is solid.  So, what's a little house fire amongst friends.
This message was modified Feb 17, 2009 by DysonInventsBig



Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: Vax Mach UK and Hoover Mach US
Reply #16   Feb 17, 2009 3:50 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Sounds like your trust in Red-TTI is solid.  So, what's a little house fire amongst friends.

To the contrary DIB,

There are larger issues to be addressed. However -- does Satan live at TTI? Most likely he does but he lives just about every where else too-- and for free.

There's not a corporation or corporate head who can claim a mouth that's a prayer book or a butt made from a stack of bibles. The issue of full disclosure re product safety is one we have had lessons in over and over again. Unfortunately, we didn't get the full gist of them until the news came too late. Asbestos, thalidamide, hexachlorophine, polyvinylchloride and on and on. All great modern wonders we later found were not so hot for broad public use since they made as many problems as they solved.

I have little time for fault finding. Life is too short. What I want to learn is how we can fix problems at hand. In any event, each man to his own path. Please keep up the crusade. I expect I'll die one day and wake up in glory to see you sitting by the right hand of the Lord with a Dyson in your lap.

Best,

Venson
DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Vax Mach UK and Hoover Mach US
Reply #17   Feb 17, 2009 5:28 pm
Venson wrote:
To the contrary DIB,

There are larger issues to be addressed. However -- does Satan live at TTI? Most likely he does but he lives just about every where else too-- and for free.

There's not a corporation or corporate head who can claim a mouth that's a prayer book or a butt made from a stack of bibles. The issue of full disclosure re product safety is one we have had lessons in over and over again. Unfortunately, we didn't get the full gist of them until the news came too late. Asbestos, thalidamide, hexachlorophine, polyvinylchloride and on and on. All great modern wonders we later found were not so hot for broad public use since they made as many problems as they solved.

I have little time for fault finding. Life is too short. What I want to learn is how we can fix problems at hand. In any event, each man to his own path. Please keep up the crusade. I expect I'll die one day and wake up in glory to see you sitting by the right hand of the Lord with a Dyson in your lap.

Best,

Venson

Hey Venson,

Since you brought it up...  the Book reads - "Satan comes to kill, steal and destroy."  When I layout and compare...  Cancer (kill), taking what’s not theirs - taking intellectual property (steal) and [potential] house fires and monopoly power (destroy).  If so inclined, feel free to compare Dyson using the same criteria.

Integrity does still exist in people and corporations, it is just getting harder to find.  And it's lack of integrity that has got us in this economic mess.


DIB
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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Vax Mach UK and Hoover Mach US
Reply #18   Feb 17, 2009 6:25 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
  If so inclined, feel free to compare Dyson using the same criteria.

Integrity does still exist in people and corporations, it is just getting harder to find.  And it's lack of integrity that has got us in this economic mess.


DIB



Never clogs, never loses suction?  Is a suitable defense for the inventor:  The Devil made me do it? 

Carmine D.

Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: Vax Mach UK and Hoover Mach US
Reply #19   Feb 19, 2009 8:20 am
Howdy all,

Got a response from TTI/Hoover . . .

The following makes no mention of PVC:

"Hello, Thank you for your recent email. We definitely understand your concern and want to make you aware that no one has ever had lead poisoning from the cords in our vacuums in the 100 years we have been in business. We want to make you aware that while Hoover vacuum cords may contain a trace amount of lead, testing of the cords by qualified independent laboratories has revealed that, under normal use, it is highly unlikely that a user would be exposed to unhealthy quantities of lead. Our products are safe when used in the manner specified in the User Manuals, and under normal conditions. Proposition 65 under California law specifies that numerous consumer product manufacturers including Hoover must place certain types of warnings in its User Manuals relating to these trace amounts of lead. We are required to put this warning in our manuals in order to sell our vacuums in California. No other state or country requires this warning on our products. As a company, we responded to California law promptly, by including those warnings in our product manuals on a national basis. It is important to note that the State of California did not find that cords on Hoover vacuums contain an amount of lead that would cause harm to children or adults. Also, in qualified independent laboratory testing, the cords on Hoover vacuums have not been found to contain an amount of lead that would cause harm to children, unborn children, or adults. Thank you for your time in this matter. Sincerely, Customer Service 58 1-888-321-1134 Monday - Friday 800am to 700pm EST. "

Best,

Venson
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Vax Mach UK and Hoover Mach US
Reply #20   Feb 19, 2009 8:52 am
Hello Venson:

Thanks for taking the time and effort to follow up and through on this matter.  I appreciate your diligence and HOOVER/TTI's.  Reassuring and inspiring to know and see that you [always] and HOOVER [at least in this case] take the high road.

Carmine D.

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