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bagless kirby conversion
Original Message   Jan 16, 2009 1:51 pm
I'm not very impressed with the design, but there's a guy who offers a way to convert Kirbys from bag to dirt canister.  Unfortunately, it doesn't offer dual cyclone or better technology.  It looks like you clean the pleated filter after every use.  I think I'd rather pay for bags than this gimmick.

http://www.kirbybagsneveragain.com/

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DysonInventsBig


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Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #17   Feb 17, 2009 2:45 pm
Trebor,

I have seen plenty of industrial [tapered] cyclonic’s that blew.  This fella’s clear bin is currently separating dust and debris from the [blowing] airflow.  So why not separate the finer dust particles too?  And then onto the final [Hepa] filter.

DIB


CarmineD


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Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #18   Feb 17, 2009 4:34 pm
Trebor wrote:
Enclosing the conversion would mean the dirt picked up would be hidden.


Exactly.

Carmine D.

Trebor


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Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #19   Feb 17, 2009 6:36 pm
DIB,

I did not realize there were such cyclonic devices. Wonder why no one has devised one yet for a vacuum cleaner?

Carmine,

The whole point is for people to see the dirt so they empty it and clean the filter each time. Out of sight out of mind. To put a bag over the bagless conversion would serve no purpose. If you want the bag, just keep the one that comes with the Kirby. If not, buy the conversion.

DysonInventsBig


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Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #20   Feb 18, 2009 1:48 am
Trebor,

Check it out (from Dyson.co.uk)...

 




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Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #21   Feb 18, 2009 2:33 am
I apologise if this question has already been asked and answered (I can't find it if it has!), but wouldn't using this device on your Kirby void the guarantee, since it's not a genuine Kirby part?

Also, with regard to Dyson's cyclonic 'pollution remover' for motor vehicles - surely this is flawed thinking; what do you do with the sticky, carcinogenic carbon deposits it removes? The poison is out of the airstream, sure, but it has to go somewhere. I believe this, and the general apathy of the motor industry, is the reason Dyson gives in his book for why the device has never been developed further.

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mole


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Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #22   Feb 18, 2009 4:22 am
Keeler is the Jerry Rubin  of the upright world. How do you like my new twist on some thing as old as dirt itself.Ill take a eureka optima dustbin and dcf5 eureka filter worth total of about 15 dollars and sell it to my Kirby customers [Boy arnt i a nice guy] 

How many times can you repaint an idea and sell it?.

Keeler knows there is money to be made and hes soo pissed at kirby he will do anything to make them look bad,

How come a kirby sentria retails for 1799.00 and costs the dealers 449.00. Take the money out of it and we shall see how great they really are. Your lucky if you can get a customer to streach for 400.00 on a new demo model. I buy them all day long for 50.00 bucks,

Just like dyson, aerus ,tristar,rainbow, patriot, miele, The gig is up,,,,,,,,,,,


P.S. i suggest keeler and rubin find a new line of work..............


regards

MOLE
CarmineD


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Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #23   Feb 18, 2009 5:53 am

Carmine,

 If you want the bag, just keep the one that comes with the Kirby. If not, buy the conversion.



If you want a bag, it comes standard with KIRBY.  If not, buy a bagless and don't worry about a conversion!

Carmine D.

Trebor


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Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #24   Feb 18, 2009 10:07 am
Carmine,

You're being obtuse,my friend. You realize the Keeler conversion on a Kirby will outclean any dimestore bagless unit. The brushroll, the height adjustment , the large fan all contribute to much better cleaning ability. And if your Kirby needed a new outer bag, the cost is about the same as a conversion.

Mole,

Originality consists largely of creating new applications for existing devices, which precisely describes the Keeler conversion, because It is the first marketed bagless conversion for an open fan upright.

DIB,

Thank you for reminding me, I had totally forgotten about Dyson's prototype, which is pretty silly since it was the starting point and underpinning of my vision of how Dyson could have conquered the vauum world for at least the duration of his lifetime.

Trebor

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DysonInventsBig


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Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #25   Feb 18, 2009 12:09 pm
Re:  cyclonic exhaust

If Dyson is the first with this type of exhaust separation, then he has a monopoly.  Any manufacturer, government, university, etc. that may be interested or in need of such separation must first purchase or license *patents from Dyson. - That's not a bad investment of [little] time and money.


DIB

*If they exist.
This message was modified Feb 18, 2009 by DysonInventsBig



CarmineD


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Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #26   Feb 18, 2009 1:09 pm
Trebor wrote:
Carmine,

You're being obtuse,my friend. Trebor


It is obtuse to buy a new KIRBY then add an after market non-Kirby unsanctioned bagless converter for $150.   If you are fortunate enough to own a KIRBY but decide to go bagless then buy a bagless.  

Carmine D.

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