Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I'm not very impressed with the design, but there's a guy who offers a way to convert Kirbys from bag to dirt canister.  Unfortunately, it doesn't offer dual cyclone or better technology.  It looks like you clean the pleated filter after every use.  I think I'd rather pay for bags than this gimmick.

http://www.kirbybagsneveragain.com/

Enclosing the conversion would mean the dirt picked up would be hidden. The cylinder is supposed to be emptied, and the filter cleaned after each use. Jim says he makes people aware of this when they purchase. Enclosing the dirt container would necessitate using a vertical canister, which is easier to damage by vacuuming under a dining room table, for example. Anyone who has demo'd a Kirby with a dirt meter is aware that the Kirby feels lighter and more balanced with it on as opposed to the bag,

Having done a few (thousand) Kirby demos I can tell you that if the Kirby cleaned as well with the bag as it does with the dirt meter, the bags would fill faster than they do. I have often pulled a bag full of dirt on the test pads. Yet after the sale and I am using the bag on the customer's newly purchased Kirby in preparation for finishing the shampoo, the bag does not fill with dirt at the same rate it piled onto the dirt pads. The dirt path to the bag through the fill tube is so much longer than the distance from the nozzle to the dirt meter. For that brief second or two before the pad totally clogs, the air velocity is much higher in the dirt meter. Then a new pad is put in. So those micro-bursts of tremendous cleaning power are really what sell the customer on the machine. I think Mr. Keeler's bagless conversion is really just a large dirt meter with a pleated filter that is cleaned instead of a pad that is changed

P.S. All of the cyclonic units, in fact all of the bagless units, with the exception of this new Keeler conversion SUCK the air into the container. This unit takes air directly off the fan chamber and the dirt/sand/dust is picked up and blown into the chamber. If anyone chooses to respond to this post, can we skip all sophomoric jokes and jibes about sucking, blowing, ad nauseum, please?

Trebor,

I have seen plenty of industrial [tapered] cyclonic’s that blew.  This fella’s clear bin is currently separating dust and debris from the [blowing] airflow.  So why not separate the finer dust particles too?  And then onto the final [Hepa] filter.

DIB

Trebor wrote:

Exactly.

Carmine D.

DIB,

I did not realize there were such cyclonic devices. Wonder why no one has devised one yet for a vacuum cleaner?

Carmine,

The whole point is for people to see the dirt so they empty it and clean the filter each time. Out of sight out of mind. To put a bag over the bagless conversion would serve no purpose. If you want the bag, just keep the one that comes with the Kirby. If not, buy the conversion.

Trebor,

Check it out (from Dyson.co.uk)...

 

I apologise if this question has already been asked and answered (I can't find it if it has!), but wouldn't using this device on your Kirby void the guarantee, since it's not a genuine Kirby part?

Also, with regard to Dyson's cyclonic 'pollution remover' for motor vehicles - surely this is flawed thinking; what do you do with the sticky, carcinogenic carbon deposits it removes? The poison is out of the airstream, sure, but it has to go somewhere. I believe this, and the general apathy of the motor industry, is the reason Dyson gives in his book for why the device has never been developed further.

Keeler is the Jerry Rubin  of the upright world. How do you like my new twist on some thing as old as dirt itself.Ill take a eureka optima dustbin and dcf5 eureka filter worth total of about 15 dollars and sell it to my Kirby customers [Boy arnt i a nice guy] 

How many times can you repaint an idea and sell it?.

Keeler knows there is money to be made and hes soo pissed at kirby he will do anything to make them look bad,

How come a kirby sentria retails for 1799.00 and costs the dealers 449.00. Take the money out of it and we shall see how great they really are. Your lucky if you can get a customer to streach for 400.00 on a new demo model. I buy them all day long for 50.00 bucks,

Just like dyson, aerus ,tristar,rainbow, patriot, miele, The gig is up,,,,,,,,,,,


P.S. i suggest keeler and rubin find a new line of work..............


regards

MOLE

If you want a bag, it comes standard with KIRBY.  If not, buy a bagless and don't worry about a conversion!

Carmine D.

Carmine,

You're being obtuse,my friend. You realize the Keeler conversion on a Kirby will outclean any dimestore bagless unit. The brushroll, the height adjustment , the large fan all contribute to much better cleaning ability. And if your Kirby needed a new outer bag, the cost is about the same as a conversion.

Mole,

Originality consists largely of creating new applications for existing devices, which precisely describes the Keeler conversion, because It is the first marketed bagless conversion for an open fan upright.

DIB,

Thank you for reminding me, I had totally forgotten about Dyson's prototype, which is pretty silly since it was the starting point and underpinning of my vision of how Dyson could have conquered the vauum world for at least the duration of his lifetime.

Trebor

Re:  cyclonic exhaust

If Dyson is the first with this type of exhaust separation, then he has a monopoly.  Any manufacturer, government, university, etc. that may be interested or in need of such separation must first purchase or license *patents from Dyson. - That's not a bad investment of [little] time and money.


DIB

*If they exist.