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DysonInventsBig
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Little vacuum cleaner men in big YouTube chairs...
Original Message Feb 15, 2009 4:22 pm |
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How long until someone exposes the rubbish and lies of [vacuum cleaner] *clubbers and *dealers who use YouTube as their platform? DIB *Not all, just many (are dirty).
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CarmineD
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Re: Little vacuum cleaner men in big YouTube chairs...
Reply #31 Feb 22, 2009 7:49 am |
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Agreed. It's a shame, because many put their trust in CR. Bag technology aside, surface area is king, yet the Electrolux Infinity ranks high. Hmmm
Assuming as I did, that DIB's reference above is to the Electrolux Intensity, the subsequent posters discussions which incorporate several leading vacuum industry authorities, like WHICH?, Consumer Reports, and the ASA [granted 1 and 3 are in the UK], then a third party interested vacuum buyer should conclude that bag surface area is not king [as the bag holds only 3 ounces vice 5 or more for most], but engineering is.
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: Little vacuum cleaner men in big YouTube chairs...
Reply #32 Feb 22, 2009 6:30 pm |
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Panasonic made the Icon in 3 bagged models, and 3 bagless. I have two bagged examples (the same models pictured), and a mid-ranged bagless. I wasn't commenting on their performance in comparison to anything else discussed in this thread, I was just saying they were a fantastic machine. I'm pleased to see their Direct Drive agitator is still in use on the market; it's just a shame they were discontinued in the UK in 2001. WRT Hoover's legacy, every upright vacuum out there can trace its family tree back to the Model O! Model2, Can you share any info... when were the casters first used on an upright? Do you have any patent numbers or inventors names connected to the Model O. Thanks! DIB
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Model2
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Re: Little vacuum cleaner men in big YouTube chairs...
Reply #33 Feb 22, 2009 8:34 pm |
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Model2,
Can you share any info... when were the casters first used on an upright? Do you have any patent numbers or inventors names connected to the Model O.
Thanks! DIB
Hi DIB,
the first large-scale production machine to use casters was indeed the 1908 Model O (I say 'large-scale production'; less than 400 were made!). However, before J M Spangler and W H Hoover joined forces to create the Electric Suction Sweeper Company, Spangler was making a very similar machine himself at a rate of 2-3 per week. These also had the caster wheels, so they were technically the first upright machines to use them. Hoover's earliest machines were just too big and heavy to be used without the rear casters; it would be like trying to steer the Titanic! Here's a picture of one of Spangler's 1907 pre-'Electric Suction Sweeper Company' cleaners, in which you can see the swivel caster at the rear of the chassis. The patent for this 'Carpet Sweeper and Cleaner' is filed under the name J M Spangler. However, the cleaner shown in the patent illustration differs from production machines in several ways: the hose for the dusting tools attaches differently, the brush-roll seems to be driven by a sort of axle-system, not a belt, and most importantly for you, the rear wheels are shown as being fixed-axle type, not swivel casters. I guess they came as a slighly later improvement when production began!
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: Little vacuum cleaner men in big YouTube chairs...
Reply #34 Feb 22, 2009 10:48 pm |
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Hi DIB, the first large-scale production machine to use casters was indeed the 1908 Model O (I say 'large-scale production'; less than 400 were made!). However, before J M Spangler and W H Hoover joined forces to create the Electric Suction Sweeper Company, Spangler was making a very similar machine himself at a rate of 2-3 per week. These also had the caster wheels, so they were technically the first upright machines to use them. Hoover's earliest machines were just too big and heavy to be used without the rear casters; it would be like trying to steer the Titanic! Here's a picture of one of Spangler's 1907 pre-'Electric Suction Sweeper Company' cleaners, in which you can see the swivel caster at the rear of the chassis. The patent for this 'Carpet Sweeper and Cleaner' is filed under the name J M Spangler. However, the cleaner shown in the patent illustration differs from production machines in several ways: the hose for the dusting tools attaches differently, the brush-roll seems to be driven by a sort of axle-system, not a belt, and most importantly for you, the rear wheels are shown as being fixed-axle type, not swivel casters. I guess they came as a slighly later improvement when production began! Model2, Many thanks! I know you said it, but it’s hard to believe... the image is of a Spangler vacuum or the vacuums he used to make himself? Our two countries have made patent searching much harder than it should be (the U.S. is much worse). Have you seen? - Google has indexed the patent office docs with thumbnails! J M Spangler (and all others) patents with a single click - take a look... http://www.google.com/patents?q=J+M+Spangler&rview=1&lr=&sa=N&start=0DIB
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Model2
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Re: Little vacuum cleaner men in big YouTube chairs...
Reply #35 Feb 23, 2009 4:24 am |
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Model2, Many thanks! I know you said it, but it’s hard to believe... the image is of a Spangler vacuum or the vacuums he used to make himself? Our two countries have made patent searching much harder than it should be (the U.S. is much worse). Have you seen? - Google has indexed the patent office docs with thumbnails! J M Spangler (and all others) patents with a single click - take a look... http://www.google.com/patents?q=J+M+Spangler&rview=1&lr=&sa=N&start=0DIB Yep, the picture I posted is of one of the machines hand-made by Spangler at his home in 1907, before W H Hoover got involved. In other words, the world's first portable electric upright vacuum cleaner. This would have been the sort of machine Susan Hoover bought from Spangler, before praising it enthusiastically to her husband. Spangler travelled around North Canton (or 'New Berlin', as it was known until Jan. 1918!) on the trolley cars, collecting parts he'd ordered from various tradesmen and workshops etc. Then he and his son would assemble the machines, while his wife and daughter made the dustbags on their sewing machine! The example pictured is on public display in the Hoover Historical Center in North Canton, Ohio. Thanks for pointing out the new thumbnail indexing on googlepatents - it makes everything so much easier! I could have saved myself many hours in research if they'd done this sooner! Here's a photo of the underside of a 1908 Electric Suction Sweeper Model O - this shows the casters clearly:
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CarmineD
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Re: Little vacuum cleaner men in big YouTube chairs...
Reply #37 Feb 23, 2009 7:56 am |
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The example pictured is on public display in the Hoover Historical Center in North Canton, Ohio.
The Center was closed some time ago and the contents are the property of a famous US A HOOVER expert and collector.
Carmine D.
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