Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Hello HS:

Thanks for the review.  For $98, a vacuum buyer doesn't want perfection.  For $400-$600, a vacuum buyer expects perfection and gets very disappointed when the expectations aren't met.  For $900 plus, a vacuum buyer expects and demands perfection and gets it.  Venson's comments about the MIELE S7 Tango.

Venson wrote:

Carmine D.

I was never disappointed with my Dyson.  Venson likes his Miele.  Score is even.  I would be more disappointed with a $900 or more vac that had no better cleaning performance than the DC07.  Have you noticed that I am not thrillled with a $2000 Kirby?

Whose fault?  Did the Kirby sales person hold a gun to your head and take your money?  Or do you make a habit of buying things you don't really like.  Score one for Venson and his MIELE S7 Tango!  He knows what he likes and then buys it.  You buy it then determine if you like it!

Carmine D.

The Hoover 'Z'!? Carmine, you didn't really say ,as was attributed to you, that the Hoover Z would be the undoing of Dyson? When I first looked at it, I thought the design engineers and the marketing people had shared a bad batch of crack! It LOOKED heavy as an upright. Perception is reality. And the user is no more likley to compress the handle down into the quasimodo lookalike for attachment use than a Kirby user is to install the portable handle to use the hose. I tagged it as loser from the get-go.

KIrbys are demoed in the home so the customer wii see how well it gets their dirt out of their carpet. There is a 3 day recision clause, and if it was purchased with a major credit card there is a 30-day window for cancellation. If the Kirby is properly adjusted to the carpet, and the belt and bag are in working order, the performance should range from very good to excellent. The Royal, too is a very good upright.

Carmine, I have looked at the Orecks on a few ocassions, and while adequate, I just don't think they warrant the price. A sebo upright offers onboard (and better) tools(including an articulating dusting brush) better filtration, a true auto-height adjustment (X series) NO belt replacements, ever (or they are covered) lights that indicate bag/filter or brushroll replacement, lockouts which prevent usage without bag or filter in place plus instant no-tools cord/switch/handle replacement should it ever be required. The unit can be totally disassembled w/o tools and reassembled in under 3min. There is a clog cleanout underneath and the brushroll can be removed without tools or even turning the unit over. What's the Oreck got that Sebo X or Felix series doesn't?

Hello Trebor: 

You missed much of the discussions about dyson and HOOVER and its Z during your sabbatical, so I synopsized in context [not pretext] for 6 plus years and messaged you.  I posted here but it was too long.

WRT ORECK, my dear Wife always liked it.  It was demoed by my friend [see my off line message] in his store [who loaned us the DC07].  She liked it instantly.  In April 2007, after hearing ORECK bashed over and over again here constantly, ORECK in concert with the US Humane Society, offered the XL Classic to me [and others] for $150.  Since it had been years since my familiarization with ORECK-s, I bought one.  I used it, [still do] like it and bought 3 more [same price] as gifts to family members.  We're all pleased with them.  For many years I recommended to persons here thinking about ORECK to shop them at estate sales.  They can be bought, in like new condition, for $25-$50.  BTW, I met Dave back in the day when he was breaking into the business.  I've always liked and respected him, tho I never sold new ORECKs in my store.  Just parts, repairs and used.

Dyson's DC07 is discontinued and if still around on sale for clearance prices.  Gone, finito.  The HOOVER Z, despite its lackluster sales reception, is still available on HOOVER's Web Site.  The Z has a future, DC07 a past.  With HOOVER, I'm reluctant to pronounce last rites on any of its products.  The HOOVER electric floor washer from the late 50's early 60's died, was buried, and resurrected in 2002 as the HOOVER Floormate.  I sold the former [floorwasher] in my store, and use the latter [floormate] in my home now.  It's one of the best floorcare products on the market today for the price.   

SEBO makes excellent vacuums IMHO.  Top shelf.  Worth the price.  SEBO is the brand of choice for the White House.  Felix is a top notch lightweight IMHO.  I have always said these and the RICCAR/SIMPLICITY lightweights are a notch above ORECK.

Carmine D.

1. It worked flawlessly on my carpets.  Thousands of consumer reviews also confirm this. I used the DC07 on 40 year old wool carpet (likely thicker pile than yours) with no resulting damages.

2. Where can one buy this Mohawk wool carpet?  They do not list wool carpet on their site. It must be some builder grade stuff as I have contended all along.  I also found this with regards to Mohawk:

What Mohawk Carpet Doesn't Offer
Mohawk^® carpeting uses synthetic fibers like nylon and polyester that employ technologies to improve stain resistance and fiber resilience. However what Mohawk^® carpet doesn't have in their lineup is wool carpeting.

Wool is a natural fiber with many beneficial features that make it a good choice for carpeting and an alternative to synthetic fibers. If you're looking for wool carpeting you'll need to look elsewhere since Mohawk^® doesn't offer it.

3. I read Mohawk's carpet warranty.  They recommend regular vacuuming. No mention of acceptable or non acceptable vacuum brands.  This is in the warranty:

Some thick loop pile carpets will fuzz if a rotating brush vacuum is used. In this

case we recommend a suction vacuum only.

The DC07 is capable of suction only.  The Oreck and your cheap Hoovers aren't.

4. A little research shows the Z to be deeply discounted. Of course you can always find an exception as I can with the DC07.  They are still available in some local stores with no advertised discounts.  I would expect discounts on discontinued products, however Hoovers are generally discounted from the day of inception.  Makes me wonder what the price should really be.

5.  Ahh. Such a wonderful past.  Better to exit in glory than to stay and be humiliated.

Some thick loop pile carpets will fuzz if a rotating brush vacuum is used. In this

case we recommend a suction vacuum only.

The DC07 is capable of suction only.  The Oreck and your cheap Hoovers aren't.

4. A little research shows the Z to be deeply discounted. Of course you can always find an exception as I can with the DC07.  They are still available in some local stores with no advertised discounts.  I would expect discounts on discontinued products, however Hoovers are generally discounted from the day of inception.  Makes me wonder what the price should really be.

5.  Ahh. Such a wonderful past.  Better to exit in glory than to stay and be humiliated.

6. Is it possible that the future may present truths and not biased unsubstantiated opinions from you?

Relax.  Calm down.  Have a cup of joe.  My Mohawk carpets were purchased over 3 years ago for my home, as were many others here in my community.  What is the date of your Mohawk reference?  Is it possible Mohawk wool was still available then and not now?  Especially through builders as an upgrade as a special order?  And what say you about berbers and dysons?  Use straight suction!  When my $150 ORECK cleans and grooms them so well.  What say you about dyson's scrubbing of the fail safe clutch on models after the DC14?    Works so well, it's gone.

The Mohawk voided warranty info about dyson was posted here in great detail some time back.  As well as another carpet maker's warranty void for dyson.  I didn't post the links either, I merely reference.  You never posted about them then.  You can find them, if you do a search.  If and when I find them, I'll send to you for your benefit, probably off line.  My message to Trebor went on too long here before I cut it and sent privately.  You quoted before I did.  Thanks.

Carmine D.

I do not know what was available 3 years ago.  Your contention is that DC07 was discontinued in part because it is inferior.  Same must be true of your builder grade carpet.  Maybe you have learned about builders.  Upsell discontinued carpet and gift inferior plasmas.  Do you think that Mohawk would set up shop to make a run of wool?  It is more likely that they had their name put on another's product.

Do you know positively that the clutch was eliminated because of problems or because of design on newer machines?  Facts only please.

Another double standard by you.  The manufacturer is right if he faults Dyson and wrong if he does not recommend a product you like.  The Oreck would likely choke and stall before doing damage.  Manufacturers will look for any loop hole to void a warranty.  Sure hope you never have a problem due to not using suction only.