Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I don't know if anyone has seen this but I think I like it better just by hearing how it sounds, seems much more quiet than the Oreck. This vacuum comes with a 6 year warranty at only $399, pretty good deal. Sorry if this was posted already.



HSN Video:
http://home-solutions.hsn.com/hoover-platinum-collection-lightweight-bagged-upright-vacuum-with-handheld-canister-vac_p-4709906_xp.aspx?webm_id=0&web_id=4709906&sf=hw&attr=644&ocm=HW|644&prev=hp!sf!644&ccm=HW|644

Hello TTIPowerT:

Thanks for that information.  I recall Julie and Bobbie making the point about the ASTM findings and saying that the ASTM is THE ONLY approved and recognized standard in the vacuum industry for vacuum testing.  I was impressed to see that even with the HOOVER HEPA bag [4x the capacity of bagless bins] filled to the max line, the HOOVER lightweight devoured in short order all the additional rug dirt poured out of the other full bags. 

Seems our resident advocate for all things dyson also exhibits an utter disregard for all/any praise worthy opinions and comments that are pro-ORECK/HOOVER and their products.  Even by entities sanctioned by the industry specifically for the purpose [Which?, CR, CRI].   Must be part of an elitist mentality [read: ego] that believes save dyson nothing else counts.  How illogical and mentally un-innovative and slothful to entertain such misguided notions.  Logically inconsistent to believe despite incontrovertible proof to the contratry, that only one vacuum brand, exclusively bagless at that, is the only superior vacuum on the planet to the exclusion of all others. 

Carmine D.

TTIpowerT wrote:
I’d like to talk about ASTM and how Hoover uses its findings in their marketing.  Only, I cannot get past all the dust the so-called "Oreck Killer" left behind.

Hoover claims (copied from their web site) - "removes more dirt from carpet than other lightweight bagged uprights"  Here

DIB

*Priced to kill the Oreck company.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hiya again DIB:

That's because you are using a dyson DC24, which CR rates as poor for tool suction and fair for pet hair pick up.  Get yourself an upright vacuum like the ORECK and HOOVER lightweight, both receive the coveted CRI green label of approval, [unlike dyson which never has], and you'll see the difference, just like CR.

Here's the relevant HOOVER claim, which ORECK uses too for the advantages/benefits of direct air flow suction superiority, from your link above.  Thanks for posting:

 WindTunnel TechnologyTM

• Technologically engineered to achieve a cleaner clean. With a combination of direct air flow and Hoover's Patented WindTunnel Technology, dirt is extracted from your carpet in less time***, so you can move on to more important tasks.

BTW, the 3 stars are for the 3 ASTM tests which are performed and reported to substantiate HOOVER's claim.

Carmine D.

Oreck XL7 - from £419

Test criteria	Rating
Cleaning
Carpet
Laminate floors
Floorboards
Walls and corners
Performance
Allergen retention
Pet hair
Noise
Ease of use
General use
Emptying
Cleaning stairs
Manoeuvrability

Dyson DC24 - from £176.99 (WHICH? BEST BUY)

Test criteria	Rating
Cleaning
Carpet
Laminate floors
Floorboards
Walls and corners
Performance
Allergen retention
Pet hair
Noise
Ease of use
General use
Emptying
Cleaning stairs
Manoeuvrability

Given that the 'Best Buy'-rated DC24 can be found at £240 less than the Oreck, and outperformed it in nearly every test, I know what I'd spend my money on (and, in fact, DID spend my money on!). And I can tell you from personal experience, the suction through the hose is perfectly adequate for everyday tasks. More annoying is the short hose and the 'combination' tool, adapted from the DC16 hand-held cleaner, and lack of a crevice nozzle!

Model2 wrote:

When Which gave low ratings to Dyson Carmine referenced them frequently.  Now he will tell us that their ratings are not dependable.  He is dizzy from running in circles.

Hello Model2 and HARDSELL:  Here's what CR says compared to Which? for ORECK.  You're only as good as your latest ratings.

Oreck XL7 - from £419

Which?                                                                Consumer Reports 

                                                                                October 2008

Test criteria	Rating
Cleaning
Carpet	GOOD
Laminate floors	EXCELLENT
Floorboards
Walls and corners
Performance
Allergen retention	EXCELLENT
Pet hair	GOOD
Noise	VERY GOOD
Ease of use
General use
Emptying
Cleaning stairs
Manoeuvrability	HANDLING: VERY                                                           GOOD

Consumer Reports ratings for ORECK from October 2008 as best I can match the categories.  As you know ORECK doesn't have OBT so it comes with a compact canister with the price and purchase of the upright.  ORECK upright ranked and rated as number 10, just one below the best full sized rated and ranked dyson DC17, and above all the other dysons which included DC14 [number 17]; DC07 [number 20]; DC18 [number 21]; and a DC24 [number 22].  Typically, ORECK does rank in the top 10 uprights by Consumer Reports.  And comes with a 20 year warranty. 

Here in the USA, Consumer Reports is read by more than 20 MILLION people every month. ORECK beats out all the dyson models tested easily save one.  ORECK also wins the Carpet and Rug Institute top awards and has since the inception of the CRI ratings over 20 years ago.  Infusing value into products often gives the edge to peoples' purchases especially in hard economic times for high end priced products.  Having the CR and CRI recommendations consistently, gives ORECK the approval from the vacuum industry for quality conscious buyers.  IMHO.

Carmine D.

The main problem with Oreck in the UK is the pricetag. For £419, you could buy the TOL version of the new Miele S7 upright, the silver Autocare S 7580 (@ £361), and still have nearly £60 to spare. Orecks are sold primarily as a light-weight cleaner for the elderly, and advertised in the back of 'Saga Magazine' (holidays and insurance for the over-50's), alongside the Bissell Magic Broom.

Oreck still boast that their cleaner uses 'a top-fill bag'! Groundbreaking technology indeed...

ORECK's made in the USA label assuages the impact of the price in the USA.  And, like I said, the impressive rankings and ratings by Consumer Reports and the Carpet & Rug Institute infuse value into ORECK vacuums for the pricetag.  Plus, ORECK has over a 45 plus year track record of sales with over 500 ORECK stores in the USA.  These factors infuse product value too.  Much more IMHO than $500 plus vacuums which sell primarily and almost exclusively through big box retail stores. 

Carmine D.

Model2 wrote:

Considering that the ORECK bag is one of the largest in the industry [6 quart capacity], contains all the dust/dirt during dumping, and is replaced in seconds by the user, it is effective technology.  Just like ORECK's direct air flow suction technology.  Perfectly simple.  Perfectly effective.   

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

It's not the use of a bag, but the 'top-fill' description which amuses me. What, aside from Vorwerk, has used a bottom-fill bag in the last 20-25 years!? It's a little like saying 'with electric motor - no bellows to pump!'