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Joined: Aug 1, 2007
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NEW Hoover Upright
Original Message   Jan 23, 2009 11:02 pm
I don't know if anyone has seen this but I think I like it better just by hearing how it sounds, seems much more quiet than the Oreck. This vacuum comes with a 6 year warranty at only $399, pretty good deal. Sorry if this was posted already.



HSN Video:
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HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: NEW Hoover Upright
Reply #26   Jan 25, 2009 8:12 pm
CarmineD wrote:
The ORECK use of "top fill bag" is truthful, accurate, and correct.  Attributes which never get old and out of date even after 50 years. 

If some here can get enthralled over 50 year old obsolete technology patent drawings of a defunct company, I suspect ORECK can find some people who like to read its "padded" features.

Carmine D.



And to think that it took an ex pro 50 years to discover Oreck.   Some things never get out of date, they just do not produce like the modern versions.
HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: NEW Hoover Upright
Reply #27   Jan 25, 2009 8:16 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Considering that the ORECK bag is one of the largest in the industry [6 quart capacity], contains all the dust/dirt during dumping, and is replaced in seconds by the user, it is effective technology.  Just like ORECK's direct air flow suction technology.  Perfectly simple.  Perfectly effective.   

Carmine D.

A 1 qt. bag would be sufficient to hold the annual dirt collected by the Oreck.

I am sure they use more belts than bags.

DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Oreck XL7 vs. Dyson DC24 - the Which? verdict.
Reply #28   Jan 25, 2009 8:17 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
Do others find it strange that a vacuum that could perform this feat is not on WM site.

There are, however 8 Dysons for sale on the site.  All with 5 star ratings. 

Of course Carmine only presents what he wants us to read.  Truth is WM and Dyson had other issues. Fusion did not cause the demise of Dyson.   Hoover Z was also going to be Dyson's demise per Carmine.  Hoover had to practically give the Z's away.


Hey Hardsell,
How is the Whisper working out for you?  How does it filter?  Are you watching the pre-filter for dirtying and does it dirty quickly?  How often does Hoover recommend pre-filter cleaning?

Did you ever see Hoover's Z t.v. commercial...  where a user off-roads/jumps the vacuum around the house?  What were they thinking?

Thanks,
DIB


CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Oreck XL7 vs. Dyson DC24 - the Which? verdict.
Reply #29   Jan 26, 2009 6:43 am
HARDSELL wrote:
Do others find it strange that a vacuum that could perform this feat is not on WM site.

Hey HS:

No, considering the FUSION has been superceded at W*M stores by the HOOVER Mach 3,5,7 models.  The MACH 3 and 5 were intro-ed as W*M exclusives when the 2 year FUSION deal between HOOVER and W*M ended.  FUSION was sourced by TT1 before HOOVER was acquired in 2008 by TTI. 

W*M scrubbed sales of the DC07 models at W*M stores for several years after James tried to micro manage dyson prices.  FUSION filled the void for sales of bagless uprights.  Very well I might add.  One of W*M's best vacuum sellers for all times.  Dyson grovelled.  W*M agreed and added a DC07 Original [exclusive] for $378.  Only carried a 2 year warranty vice the 5 year for all other retail sold dysons.  Sales were a dud.  It's gone from W*M stores now as well as all other dysons once store stock is sold out.   Dyson can't compete in the big box store venues.

Carmine D.

This message was modified Jan 26, 2009 by CarmineD
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: NEW Hoover Upright
Reply #30   Jan 26, 2009 6:54 am
HARDSELL wrote:
And to think that it took an ex pro 50 years to discover Oreck.   Some things never get out of date, they just do not produce like the modern versions.



Hey HS:

With age comes wisdom.  Sadly, you're the exception!  ORECK's simplicity is an attribute.  Allows belts and bags [both of which are readily available and very inexpensive] to be changed quickly and easily by users.  Of course in order to work properly, the user must turn the ORECK on and move it across the rugs/floors.  You don't swing it like a golf club!

HOOVER says its belt is lifetime, an edge over ORECK.  I said already HOOVER's HEPA bag copies ORECK with the self-sealing opening during replacement/dumping.  As does HOOVER's 2 for 1 promotion with the cann vacuum.  Both equal.  HOOVER has WT technology.  Edge to HOOVER.  HOOVER has a 40 ft cord.  Edge to HOOVER.

DC24 gets fair to middlin ratings from CR in part because the vacuum industry, even dyson, hasn't produced a lightweight vacuum with on-board tools that works well in both rug and tool cleaning modes.  It will probably be knocked out now with both HOOVER and ORECK competing. Unless a buyer specifically likes an upright and wants OBT.

The HOOVER/TTI cordless WT Stick for $179 may defy the industry up to now.  Have to see it up close and personal before judging whether it accomplishes this feat: A lightweight that does both cleaning well and is cordless too for $179. 

Carmine D.

This message was modified Jan 26, 2009 by CarmineD
HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Oreck XL7 vs. Dyson DC24 - the Which? verdict.
Reply #31   Jan 26, 2009 11:07 am
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Hey Hardsell,
How is the Whisper working out for you?  How does it filter?  Are you watching the pre-filter for dirtying and does it dirty quickly?  How often does Hoover recommend pre-filter cleaning?

Did you ever see Hoover's Z t.v. commercial...  where a user off-roads/jumps the vacuum around the house?  What were they thinking?

Thanks,
DIB

I like the quietness and the manual height adjustment.  Also like the switched brush control. I have been using a Royal and a Kirby for almost 2 years.  My first use of the Whisper resulted in vacuuming up a lot of fine dust and carpet lint/fuzz. This is declining with each use. I have noticed that if there is something like string or sock lint on the carpet it often takes more than one pass to remove it.  Same thing is true on tile or wood floors.  When using the crevice tool the suction blockage indicator red light remains on almost constantly and any debris in the bin stops spinning.  In fact the spinning practically stops at less than 1/4 full. It is very easy to maneuver around.  Edge and corner cleaning is very good.  In fact it seems to have more suction in this use than on the open floor. When emptying you have to manually pull the heavier piles of carpet lint out.  I am concerned about the pre filter.  It gets dirty way too soon IMO.  I have already vacuumed it out with my Royal.  Recommended washing is every 3 months.  I think it will be required more often for top performance. I never had this problem with the DC07.  The hose is easier to use than Dyson's. A longer electrical cord would be nice.  Carpets look better groomed than with the Royal or Kirby.  Also feel better (nop feels fluffier) when walking bare foot. 

The Whisper is a good value (if the pre filter does not become an issue).  Like all others, it is not perfect,  It is the best Dyson copy yet.  Certainly better than the Fusion at a cheaper price.

TTIpowerT


Location: PA
Joined: Oct 20, 2008
Points: 13

Re: NEW Hoover Upright
Reply #32   Jan 26, 2009 1:28 pm
Speaking of Wal-Mart...They have four New Hoover Platinum Collection products available for purchase at WalMart.com prior to in store availability.

Also, I believe the WT2 bagged upright also had a feature allowing the bag hole opening to slide shut when replacing.
Moderator Mike_W


"There is no BEST or PERFECT vacuum cleaner"

"Take care of your vacuum, then your vacuum will take care of you"


Joined: Dec 1, 2004
Points: 1683

Re: NEW Hoover Upright
Reply #33   Jan 26, 2009 2:40 pm
TTIpowerT wrote:
Speaking of Wal-Mart...They have four New Hoover Platinum Collection products available for purchase at WalMart.com prior to in store availability.


The HOOVER models are already available in Walmart stores.  They were in last week or the week before.  They just might not be in every store.

On the boxes of the two uprights, they state how they outclean other uprights.  HOOVER shows ORECK and dyson on the liteweight box and on the bagless upright box, they show how it outcleans the Bissell Healthy Home and the dyson.  The names have been blurred to protect the vacuum cleaner makers.
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Oreck XL7 vs. Dyson DC24 - the Which? verdict.
Reply #34   Jan 26, 2009 4:43 pm
HARDSELL wrote:

The Whisper is a good value (if the pre filter does not become an issue).  Like all others, it is not perfect,  It is the best Dyson copy yet.  Certainly better than the Fusion at a cheaper price.


Hello HS:

Thanks for the review.  For $98, a vacuum buyer doesn't want perfection.  For $400-$600, a vacuum buyer expects perfection and gets very disappointed when the expectations aren't met.  For $900 plus, a vacuum buyer expects and demands perfection and gets it.  Venson's comments about the MIELE S7 Tango.

Venson wrote:

Hi Carmine,

This machine remains, so far, a stunner.  I still won't use it without tools on bare floors but I am surprised because I am a hardcore canister fan.  Better yet, I'm happy because it's equally as easy to do all  the things I'd do with the Capricorn and PN.  You're right -- immer besser!

Venson

Carmine D.

This message was modified Jan 26, 2009 by CarmineD
HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Oreck XL7 vs. Dyson DC24 - the Which? verdict.
Reply #35   Jan 26, 2009 6:15 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hello HS:

Thanks for the review.  For $98, a vacuum buyer doesn't want perfection.  For $400-$600, a vacuum buyer expects perfection and gets very disappointed when the expectations aren't met.  For $900 plus, a vacuum buyer expects and demands perfection and gets it.  Venson's comments about the MIELE S7 Tango.

Carmine D.



I was never disappointed with my Dyson.  Venson likes his Miele.  Score is even.  I would be more disappointed with a $900 or more vac that had no better cleaning performance than the DC07.  Have you noticed that I am not thrillled with a $2000 Kirby?

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