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If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...

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bagless kirby conversion
Original Message   Jan 16, 2009 1:51 pm
I'm not very impressed with the design, but there's a guy who offers a way to convert Kirbys from bag to dirt canister.  Unfortunately, it doesn't offer dual cyclone or better technology.  It looks like you clean the pleated filter after every use.  I think I'd rather pay for bags than this gimmick.

http://www.kirbybagsneveragain.com/

The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable.  The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking. 
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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #119   Jan 25, 2010 2:08 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Carmine,

You mention Winners Never Cheat and Bill Gates in the same breath?  What are you smoking? - This is delusional. It’s public record...  Gates screwed anyone and everyone (including the public) when it served him.  His monopoly and predatory practices put big numbers in his corner and not because his crap is all that-inventive, all that-innovative, easy to use or fun to use.  My Symantec buddy has just recently told me MS cannot even stop hackers in China from stealing their own MS apps.  MS is crap, but people are slaved and chained to his crap do to proven predatory and proven monopolistic [so-called] business practices and certainly not because it’s OS and/or other software is fun, problem solving-innovative, problem solving-inventive, easy to use or safe.

Sir James Dyson and his team are proven inventors and innovators.  It is laughable to think of how hard the sack-selling and lying thru their teeth, dying on the vine vacuum independent works to make a sale.  Saying Sir James steals intellectual property via a team of lawyers is just one such lie.  The lying independent is pure comedy, you’re pure comedy and so is your post above.


Dyson Invents Big

P.S.  I love target practice, so thanks.


Dib:

Your envy is showing.  Not very becoming.  BTW, I never use boomerangs for target practice like you. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #120   Jan 25, 2010 2:31 pm
Severus wrote:
One can only wonder how things would have been different had Hoover, Electrolux, Kirby, or Oreck purchased the rights to produce vacuums with Dyson technology.    I wonder how much Oreck would have charged for a "Dyson/Oreck" vacuum. 


SEVERUS:

Interesting what if.  For one, dyson vacuums would not be as expensive as they are now, which will probably be the end dyson result of competing with the less expensive copies.  IMHO ORECK could not use the bagless technology for its lightweight and be competitive with its own bagged upright.  The disparity in dirt capacities would be too different to sell the bagless.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #121   Jan 25, 2010 3:10 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Carmine,

You mention Winners Never Cheat and Bill Gates in the same breath?  What are you smoking? - This is delusional. It’s public record...  Gates screwed anyone and everyone (including the public) when it served him.  His monopoly and predatory practices put big numbers in his corner and not because his crap is all that-inventive, all that-innovative, easy to use or fun to use.  My Symantec buddy has just recently told me MS cannot even stop hackers in China from stealing their own MS apps.  MS is crap, but people are slaved and chained to his crap do to proven predatory and proven monopolistic [so-called] business practices and certainly not because it’s OS and/or other software is fun, problem solving-innovative, problem solving-inventive, easy to use or safe.

Sir James Dyson and his team are proven inventors and innovators.  It is laughable to think of how hard the sack-selling and lying thru their teeth, dying on the vine vacuum independent works to make a sale.  Saying Sir James steals intellectual property via a team of lawyers is just one such lie.  The lying independent is pure comedy, you’re pure comedy and so is your post above.


Dyson Invents Big

P.S.  I love target practice, so thanks.


DIB,

If someone has an OS that can replace Windows what is stopping them from putting it on the market.  Free enterprise still exists in USA for sure. The reason for the MS monopoly is due to non competition.  If your buddy is so sharp why doesn't he market an anti virus tool for Windows?

You $#%* about theft from Dyson yet you think some has a right to use MS technology without penalty. 

Oh, now I get it.  James should have a monopoly on bagless and MS should pass priority info to all.

DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #122   Jan 30, 2010 1:22 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Carmine,

You mention Winners Never Cheat and Bill Gates in the same breath?  What are you smoking? - This is delusional. It’s public record...  Gates screwed anyone and everyone (including the public) when it served him.  His monopoly and predatory practices put big numbers in his corner and not because his crap is all that-inventive, all that-innovative, easy to use or fun to use.  My Symantec buddy has just recently told me MS cannot even stop hackers in China from stealing their own MS apps.  MS is crap, but people are slaved and chained to his crap do to proven predatory and proven monopolistic [so-called] business practices and certainly not because it’s OS and/or other software is fun, problem solving-innovative, problem solving-inventive, easy to use or safe.

Sir James Dyson and his team are proven inventors and innovators.  It is laughable to think of how hard the sack-selling and lying thru their teeth, dying on the vine vacuum independent works to make a sale.  Saying Sir James steals intellectual property via a team of lawyers is just one such lie.  The lying independent is pure comedy, you’re pure comedy and so is your post above.


Dyson Invents Big

P.S.  I love target practice, so thanks.
HARDSELL wrote:
DIB,

If someone has an OS that can replace Windows what is stopping them from putting it on the market.  Free enterprise still exists in USA for sure. The reason for the MS monopoly is due to non competition.  If your buddy is so sharp why doesn't he market an anti virus tool for Windows?

You $#%* about theft from Dyson yet you think some has a right to use MS technology without penalty. 

Oh, now I get it.  James should have a monopoly on bagless and MS should pass priority info to all.


Hardsell,

You’re ticked I defended and called you out for repeatedly calling James Dyson Hoover-like or saying he has a big ego (you’ve done this on differing posts, and I’ve said nothing until recently).  Sorry, you’ve gone Carmine on me.

How's your Red-Hoover Dyson knock-off working out for ya?  You still man enough (I hope) to know Red ain’t sh!# without first copying real-men who’ve got the bal!$, creativity and fortitude to make invention and innovation happen.
This message was modified Jan 30, 2010 by DysonInventsBig



CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #123   Jan 30, 2010 4:15 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Hardsell,

You’re ticked I defended and called you out for repeatedly calling James Dyson Hoover-like or saying he has a big ego (you’ve done this on differing posts, and I’ve said nothing until recently).  Sorry, you’ve gone Carmine on me.

How's your Red-Hoover Dyson knock-off working out for ya?  You still man enough (I hope) to know Red ain’t sh!# without first copying real-men who’ve got the bal!$, creativity and fortitude to make invention and innovation happen.


But at least I never went Japanese Lexus..........

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #124   Jan 31, 2010 6:34 am
CarmineD wrote:
But at least I never went Japanese Lexus..........

Carmine D.



Or bagless Kirby.......

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #125   Jan 31, 2010 10:07 am
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Hardsell,

You’re ticked I defended and called you out for repeatedly calling James Dyson Hoover-like or saying he has a big ego (you’ve done this on differing posts, and I’ve said nothing until recently).  Sorry, you’ve gone Carmine on me.

How's your Red-Hoover Dyson knock-off working out for ya?  You still man enough (I hope) to know Red ain’t sh!# without first copying real-men who’ve got the bal!$, creativity and fortitude to make invention and innovation happen.


Defense is different from stupidity.  I have defended Dyson for years.  Not because of James Dyson or from thinking that Dyson is the best vacuum of all times.  I found the DC07 to be a vacuum that met my requirements to clean my home.  In my experience each succeeding model has been inferior to the original DC07.  Apparently Dyson thought the same as he has followed Hoover in introducing new model #'s very frequently that are no better than the previous.  This only works for a while and finally the consumer realizes that new model does not always lead to improved performance.  Look back at Hoover in this scenario.  Therefore I refer to Dyson as following Hoover.

JD with his ego is unwilling to admit that all his ideas are not always the best.  I respect what he has done for the vacuum industry.  Thanks to Dyson many vacuum manufacturers have gotten off their duffs and improved what they had.  As for his hand helds, tiny canisters, hand dryers, fans, etc he has failed to exceed any technology that previously existed.

Feel free to worship JD as you please.  I will continue to worship my savior and no other. I do have the highest respect for those who actually save lives (doctors, nurses and others) as well as our US military who defend the USA and those countries too weak to defend themselves.  All those Dyson inventions are nothing in comparison.

I do not have a Dyson knock off unless Dyson has a bagged vacuum hiding somewhere that he has not introduced. 

I would prefer to own all USA made product.  Malaysia is no more meaningful to me as a US citizen than China.  Why would you accept Dyson being manufactured in another country?

Regarding innovation.  Notice that British industry is questionable.  The vacuum existed before Dyson so I wonder if it is true innovation.  In fact I believe it was invented in the good ol US of A and now it is copied by many others.  Perhaps we should sue.

  • S: (adj) advanced, forward-looking, innovative, modern (ahead of the times) "the advanced teaching methods"; "had advanced views on the subject"; "a forward-looking corporation"; "is British industry innovative enough?"
  • S: (adj) innovative, innovational, groundbreaking (being or producing something like nothing done or experienced or created before) "stylistically innovative works"; "innovative members of the artistic community"; "a mind so innovational, so original"
  • CarmineD


    Joined: Dec 31, 2007
    Points: 5894

    Re: bagless kirby conversion
    Reply #126   Jan 31, 2010 5:01 pm
    HARDSELL wrote:
    Defense is different from stupidity.  I have defended Dyson for years.  Not because of James Dyson or from thinking that Dyson is the best vacuum of all times.  I found the DC07 to be a vacuum that met my requirements to clean my home.  In my experience each succeeding model has been inferior to the original DC07.  Apparently Dyson thought the same as he has followed Hoover in introducing new model #'s very frequently that are no better than the previous.  This only works for a while and finally the consumer realizes that new model does not always lead to improved performance.  Look back at Hoover in this scenario.  Therefore I refer to Dyson as following Hoover.

    JD with his ego is unwilling to admit that all his ideas are not always the best.  I respect what he has done for the vacuum industry.  Thanks to Dyson many vacuum manufacturers have gotten off their duffs and improved what they had.  As for his hand helds, tiny canisters, hand dryers, fans, etc he has failed to exceed any technology that previously existed.

    Feel free to worship JD as you please.  I will continue to worship my savior and no other. I do have the highest respect for those who actually save lives (doctors, nurses and others) as well as our US military who defend the USA and those countries too weak to defend themselves.  All those Dyson inventions are nothing in comparison.

    I do not have a Dyson knock off unless Dyson has a bagged vacuum hiding somewhere that he has not introduced. 

    I would prefer to own all USA made product.  Malaysia is no more meaningful to me as a US citizen than China.  Why would you accept Dyson being manufactured in another country?

    Regarding innovation.  Notice that British industry is questionable.  The vacuum existed before Dyson so I wonder if it is true innovation.  In fact I believe it was invented in the good ol US of A and now it is copied by many others.  Perhaps we should sue.

  • S: (adj) advanced, forward-looking, innovative, modern (ahead of the times) "the advanced teaching methods"; "had advanced views on the subject"; "a forward-looking corporation"; "is British industry innovative enough?"
  • S: (adj) innovative, innovational, groundbreaking (being or producing something like nothing done or experienced or created before) "stylistically innovative works"; "innovative members of the artistic community"; "a mind so innovational, so original"

  • Looks like dyson by your own admission is following the industry leader: HOOVER.  Now, do you think toyota will do the same?  Recall Ford in 2000?

    BTW, I've said your HOOVER bagged Platinum Upright with companion compact is an ORECK knock off.  Would you agree, ole chap? 

    Carmine D.

    This message was modified Jan 31, 2010 by CarmineD
    HARDSELL


    Joined: Aug 22, 2007
    Points: 1293

    Re: bagless kirby conversion
    Reply #127   Jan 31, 2010 10:18 pm
    CarmineD wrote:
    Looks like dyson by your own admission is following the industry leader: HOOVER.  Now, do you think toyota will do the same?  Recall Ford in 2000?

    BTW, I've said your HOOVER bagged Platinum Upright with companion compact is an ORECK knock off.  Would you agree, ole chap? 

    Carmine D.



    I do not understand why Toyota is being singled out.  Pull all the others off the market and leave Toyota alone.  That is the view that our government takes on profiling terrorists. 

    I agree that they both have a compact canister and are sililar in weight.  Oreck can't compare on cleaning with either the upright or canister IMO.

    CarmineD


    Joined: Dec 31, 2007
    Points: 5894

    Re: bagless kirby conversion
    Reply #128   Feb 1, 2010 6:15 am
    HARDSELL wrote:
    I do not understand why Toyota is being singled out.  Pull all the others off the market and leave Toyota alone.  That is the view that our government takes on profiling terrorists. 

    I agree that they both have a compact canister and are sililar in weight.  Oreck can't compare on cleaning with either the upright or canister IMO.



    by several accounts 12-19 dead/injured from horrific accidents as a result of acceleration problems dating back to 2005 in toyota and lexus vehicles.  Currently the company averages about 100 calls and emails daily and has fro days from toyota customers affected by the recalled vehicles.  No official company statement after more than a week of the recall announcement.  Toyota customers upset by the loss of resale value of their vehicles.  Upset being told to park their vehicles and odn't drive.  CTS [outsource supplier of pedals] is perplexed with toyota by recall vehicles.   Disagreement on problem by both.  Lawyers circling the wagons.  Talk of class actions suits.  Likely reasons for toyoyta's woes.  Toyota went from glory to disaster in less than one year.

    ORECK is the original lightweight upright marketed with a compact canister.  After 45 plus years, HOOVER copied.  HOOVER is the standard for rug cleaning, nice to see/hear you admit it.  Took you a LONG TIME.  ORECK is a very distant second. 

    Now let's see if you change your tune on toyota...............Consumer Reports has.  Toyota no longer best for quality.  Not recommended.  Ford is numero uno for quality. 

    Carmine D.

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