Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

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The Hoover Platinum Collection according to ASTM608 carpet testing includes the best cleaning bagged upright and best cleaning cyclonic bagless upright on the market today!


Includes:

*Linx cordless system with 18v Lithium ion technology on a hand and light/stick vac.

*Bagged Upright: Most powerful lightweight vacuum in the marketplace removes more dirt in one pass than other uprights(ASTM F-608)

*Baggless Upright : Removes more dirt than any other bagless vacuum on the market using multi-stage cyclonic filtration system and Hoover’s patented WindTunnel™ technology which utilizes three suction tunnels to lift and remove even the hidden dirt (Per ASTM F608)

*New Carpet Cleaner Removes more dirt from carpet than any other leading brand of carpet cleaner (test FCTP-0024)

*Best in class 6 yr warranty!

TTIpowerT wrote:
Perhaps your confused about what windtunnel means. Windtunnel refers to the 3 disinct air pathways generated inside the agitator housing. The first being on the leading edged of the cleaner which travels the entire length of the agitator housing which picks larger litter. The second refers to the helix design of the agitator. As is spins it creates the vortex. The last steps in "windtunnel" is the rear air pathway which also covers the entire length of the agitator housing which picks the fine dust agitated out of the carpet. These 3 distinct pathways is "Windtunnel". The linx stick vac does have the helix brush, and as the picture shows it lacks the same front nozzle pathway and the rear pathway is different as well. Not to say this design isn't good, it picks up better than the Hoover flair. Not do to it's power (motor), but due to the nozzle design (center nozzle cut out) and the bristle length. However as a side note, which some of you may see a benifit to (finer carpets ie. wool/silk) the bristle tensile strength is not nearly as aggresive as the fullsized uprights or can powerheads which I am sure some of you did not like not because it didn't clean, but because the brush is stiff and perhaps wear certain carpets although I can't testify to that statement. TTI did do many many things correct. I'll name some just to be fair and in hopes that they read this although they already know. TTI had the hopes of being the most admired floor care company in the world. This was to be centered around genuine authentic people, innovative products and first class customer service. If a unit was a little out of warranty.. cover it.. if somebody lived to far away from a service center or authorized warranty center send them a new unit.. Customer is very angry.. send them a new cleaner.. Price not low enough.. lower it.. deal not sweet enough give them free bags or detergent. Their products ( ok some say and it may be so that they are copying some designs) were getting better. Evident by changes to the F7 series steamvac upper tanks, the Self Proppled actuator arm reinforcement evident by the double x's hot stamped on the bar and don't forget the S3670 (ok looks like a miele and some others..). The quality was and still may be there, and is getting better. Look at the new 3 and 6 years warranty.. 

Hello Hoovergroover:

The lease costs/overhead were killing the stores' bottom lines even before TTI bought HOOVER.  Some questions: What's really for sale with the HOOVER FACTORY STORES?  Who has money to buy in the current economy?  What are you really buying?  

The new vacuum inventory can/probably is being sold off at bargain basement prices.  What's left?  A lease.  On an unprofitable space in a market that is saturated with unrented stores.  Some unwanted vacuum parts.  Some customer names and numbers [of which only 10 percent are probably loyal HOOVER brand customers].  Some hand tools [if they don't already belong to the staff].  Maybe a store telephone number!  How much are all these together worth?  

Is the HOOVER name for sale with the store lease/buy?  If so, that's an intangible asset with real value.  If I were younger and so inclined, I'd seek out a good store location where the building is for sale [if there are any] and negotiate a deal to buy it.  The building is a tangible asset in a depressed market [regardless of the store business].  Add the HOOVER name to the building, the buyer gets a plus with the purchase of the building for a vacuum business.  

WRT HOOVER WT technology, and I haven't seen the new HOOVER Cordless stick vac up close and personal, it looks like HOOVER borrowed a page from the Floormate design for the new stick vacuum nozzle.  If so, I opine that perhaps HOOVER changed the configuration of the WT technology design/components while still achieving the WT technology effects.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:




Carmine,

A quick replay regarding the Linx Stick Vac....Again, the WT technology design follows the same engineering configuration as your WT corded upright and is scaled down to the smaller nozzle/brush roll.

The Linx Stick Vac outperforms traditional CORDED UPRIGHTS Per ASTM F2607.

Re: Hoover Linx Platinum Stick Vacuum.

Would anyone with knowledge care to discuss...

•  The choke point (i.e., the weakest link in the filtration chain)?  So how does it filter exactly?
•  What is the filter maintenance schedule and how is it performed (how to clean)?
•  The battery shutting down/off instead of running down like most vacuums - smells of marketing "hype".  Am I missing something, where is the mechanical benefit?  Anyone?

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Hi DIB,

One -- the "no fade" supply of power simply assures peak suction instead of using a decreasing supply of power for the cleaner to run on.  A degrading power supply leads a situation where you're merely pushing around dirt and possibly grinding it into your flooring.  What's that worth? As in all things -- when you can't do it anymore it's time to stop.

Two -- Cleaning the filter each time you empty the dirt cup is recommended.

Three -- The filtration method is a combined one.  "Cyclonics" spin off the heavier stuff and a foam filter catches finer particles.

URL for the user manual PDF is here -- http://www.hoover.com/pdfs/manuals/BH50010.pdf

I'm always trying to discern the dynamic of things both visible and behind the scenes. I can't help but think the Internet, Big Box Stores and myopic "sales numbers at any cost" mentality as entirely to blame for the demise of what was once a premier name.

This aforementioned business model is also being done by Dyson....we shall see the results shortly....

There is enough money to be made in the vacuum business giving the public a quality product at a good mark up if everyone didn't try to cutthroat each other for sales numbers!

Everyone from consumer to dealer to manufacturer would do well enough if....

1. They made a quality, durable, repairable product.

2. It were sold through a Reputable Dealer network at the lowest price that makes economic sense to both dealer & Mfg

3. Vacuums were NOT available on the Dealer Website!!!!!!! This goes for parts as well (DYSON)

4. Internet dealers must charge a MINIMUM of $50 more per vacuum than that could be bought on the internet. (this prevents undercutting price by no sales tax & free shipping)

5. Big Box Stores could only carry stripped down models

The Mfgs would have solid reputations that consumers would align themselves with as lifetime customers. There would be a reliable chain of Dealer/Service?repair network to maintain Customer Loyalty
The landfill from disposable vacuums would be spared as well!

Hello Lucky1:

You eloquently synopsized the reasons for HOOVER's fall from grace.  Goes back to a conscious decision to kow tow to the big box retailers at the expense of the authorized HOOVER dealers.  A decision that was made for the most part in the mid 60's and executed since then by HOOVER, slowly descimating and desecrating the quantity and quality of the network of authorized HOOVER dealers throughout the country.  The ones on the front line who picked up the slack when products failed. 

All the bad business decisions that ultimately diminished the HOOVER brand can be traced back to THE one that put the big box retailers and chains on a pedestal for selling HOOVER product.  It is and was a failed marketing strategy for the HOOVER brand name's reputation. 

Carmine D.

  

Lucky1 wrote: There is a huge difference between Dyson and Hoover.  Dyson invented product that had a built-in, ready and waiting market to sell to. - People who wanted better performing products.  Dyson and no/few others delivered real-world, radical and measurable innovations.  But that’s changing, the slow-pokes are finally awaking from their NIH slumber.  Steve Jobs brought Apple back from the brink of extinction and did it primarily by out inventing and/or building products people want.  And consumers gladly pay Jobs a premium for it (just like Dyson).        DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Venson wrote:
Hi Venson,

Thanks for the pdf link and the many other articles you post too!  It is appreciated.

I'm going after Hoover (not you)...
Wow!  Red Hoover sure put their billions and engineering heads down and came up with some high tech and forward thinking filtration...  a piece of foam.  How much dust re-enters the room I wonder?  But when the foam clogs it should answer the problem of the dust re-entering the environment. - Problem solved.

If TTI were to offer the same arrangement in their power tools, that is - cut off all power in their cordless tools and alike instead of a gradual depletion they would be the laughing stock of power tools.  When the stick’s foam clogs, a depleting battery (lower air speeds) will make the vac look worse than it really is..  It will not suck/barely suck.  Hoover is famous for finding work-around (fixes) to their own engineering ineptness by having their marketing department figure out ways to turn ineptness into a marketable feature (i.e. “hype”). There is no science that explains why shutting down the batteries is a better idea when there is still plenty of energy left in them.  These guys (Maytag and Red) lie thru their teeth and do it over long periods of time.

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

Seems you are subject to Freudian slips and like to refer to dyson in the past tense.  Not the first time!  Did the 2008 dyson bonus money dry up, leaving you high and dry? 

Jobs also brought Apple to the brink of the precipice in his first stint there and was "fired" and replaced by Sculi [Pepsi].  Seems inventors and founders are not always the best to run their own companies.  This is Job's second chance.  Amazing what a firing does for one's humility!  Like the song says:  Love is lovelier the second time around. 

Glad to hear you say that dysons sell at a premium [read: overpriced].  Tho, I suspect not for the reason you say as good as it sounds.  Buyers determine the products they want, not the company and its marketing department.  Retailers lower prices from MSRP and offer buyer incentives until buyers take the bait.  I've noticed retailers' prices for your fave brand getting discounted from MSRP by 10, 15, 20 percent and the incentives going up: $50 and $100 Gift Cards.  Both indications buyers are staying away and inventory is mounting up.

Carmine D.