Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

You'll have to wander about the Argos site yourselves, as I can't be bothered battling with the silly formatting of pictures on this forum, and the website linking didn't work either.

Hello DIB:

Just because a brand produces and markets a product with a feature and/or gimmick that is unique/first to market is of no sales consequence unless and until the general buying public embrace it and purchase.  I hear that the new dyson ball models [DC24/DC25] like the DC15 before are among the hardest dysons to sell and worse for sales.  The filter requirements for maintenance are more time consuming and burdensome on these new dyson ball models than the older DC15 ball, which add to their unpopularity.

You'd think after the DC15, the DC18, and the DC24/25, dyson would cut his loses and forget the steerable vacuum market, as you call it.  But, typical of privately held companies run by engineer/designers who control the thoughts and actions of their Boards, they just keep trying until they get it right.  Dyson did the same with the contra rotating washer for years.  It sold 1400 units in its best year [before returns].  A major dyson sales flop.  And the reason engineer/designers make terrible CEO's.

Carmine D.

Sorry HS, I missed this post from you.  I was not ignoring you.  HOOVER was and still is a mighty brand in comparison to most, including dyson.  Did I tell you, in a match off of the $549 DC17 Animal vice the $70 HOOVER TEMPO at the local BEST BUY store, the sales people picked the TEMPO hands down.  I agreed to buy whichever was the better of the two.  That's why I bought.

Carmine D.

DIB:

Bingo!  I suspect that many Brits feel this way about dyson relocating his production plant from Malmesbury to Malaysia [Southeast Asians just like the Chinese who are Asians].  Hence the backlash for dyson in the UK.  Just substitute un-British for un-American.  The competition is capitalizing on this anti-dyson mood among Brits IMHO.  And the reason in part dyson is no longer the number one seller of vacuums in the UK.

Carmine D.

You always tell us that the big box stores ( BB is in this category ) do not have knowledge that independents have. Therefore it is better to buy a more expensive vac from an independent.

Now you tell us that you ( a self proclaimed know it all ) let BB influence your buying decision.  You also got an Oreck on your wife;s recommendation.

I don't think I would tell those things publicly. 

BTW, I did not expect you to admit that Hoover was a failure and had to have expertise to salvage them.  Didn't you tell us for years that the old Hoover would be the demise of Dyson?

Hello HS:

Read again, my friend.  I said to the BEST BUY store sales staff I would buy the better of the two vacuums. Matching the most expensive vacuum at BEST BUY, a dyson DC17 Animal for $549, against the least expensive, the HOOVER TEMPO for $70.  With a panel of BEST BUY store staff as judges.  The TEMPO won hands down based on the judges conclusions, and I bought.  

Carmine D.

HS you pat yourself on the back too quickly.  TTI Floorcare, Glenwillow OHIO, HOOVER's parent, is number one in vacuum sales.  

Carmine D.

HS:

Sounds like some HOOVER execs creamed you on the golf course recently!  It's not the $2000 golf clubs that makes the difference.  It's the skill of the golfer.  Just like vacuums.  It's the not the price that makes it perform better.  It's the ability of the vacuum operator.

Carmine D.

Sounds like you are still doing the pay toilet dance and avoiding the subject matter.  How many hoover execs and engineers stayed after the sell out?  If they had skill they would not have had to sell.  Maybe Dyson knows that it takes engineers and not idiots renaming the same old thing hoping the buying public will think something has improved. 

Of course no need for engineers when you simply let Dyson do the work and steal their innovations.

Hello HS:

Sadly your facts are askew.  MAYTAG, owner of HOOVER, sold out to TTI.  HOOVER was bought up by TTI.  There is a difference.  MAYTAG management not HOOVER is culpable.  The $2.1 BILLION price tag paid for HOOVER plus assumption of all its outstanding liabilities [including health and pension costs of the employees] speaks highly of the HOOVER brand name and its products.  Not many companies in the industry, save TTI, could come up with this dollar amount, either in cash/financing and both.

Dyson on the other hand over-engineers and over-prices its products.  Remember it wasn't business acumen that catapulted dyson to success.  It was winning 2 lawsuits and using the proceeds thereof to expand and export.  The current economic conditions make dyson vulnerable to competitors like HOOVER UK, TTI Floorcare of Glenwillow Ohio, and BISSELL.  Dyson can't compete in hard times.  It doesn't have the right product mix and prices.

Carmine D.