Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

The 'Freedom' and 'Slalom' uprights, and the 'Xarion' cylinder cleaner. All employ 'Airvolution' technology.

You'll have to wander about the Argos site yourselves, as I can't be bothered battling with the silly formatting of pictures on this forum, and the website linking didn't work either.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

It's the same old lesson for you and dyson to learn [aka Economics 101]:  It's not who does it first.  It's the one who copies the best and sells it for less!  

I suggest dyson get a new macro/mico economist. 

BTW, the "Slalom" looks and sounds much more exciting and appealing than the "Ball."  Maybe dyson needs a new marketer too.  Not to mention the 475 dyson engineers who thought it was clever to use all the leftover ball wheels from the barrows on the dyson vacuums.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Hey Carmine,

It is a proven fact those who are first usually own the market.

Your love for communist sponsored Chinese "rip the throat of margins and jobs" TTI, is well...  un-American.  You speak like a poor man (always on the side of cheap goods at any cost) and not like the rich man you claim to be or can be obtained easily.  It is the same old lesson, just another day...  jealousy of Dyson.

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

First doesn't mean anything in the market except first in the market.  The owner, your term, of the market goes to the brand/brands who offer the best products for less.  The facts are that TTI Floorcare sells the most vacuums yearly and GE in the 1960's was the first to market with a vacuum using a ball wheel [which failed miserably].

BTW, the Headquarters for TTI Floorcare is located in Glenwillow, Ohio.  That's in the USA, not Communist China. 

And alas, I'm just a poor old retired American living the life of luxury in Las Vegas, Nevada!  That's in the USA too.  Now tell me again: Who exactly should be jealous of whom?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

You should hgve learned a lesson in the past few years.  Hoover (your almighty brand) was a first to cut prices.  Also first to go under.

Dyson did it to you again.

CarmineD wrote:
Hey Carmine,

After Dyson brought to market his DC15 “The Ball” he looked around and saw he had absolutely ZERO COMPETITORS in his innovative, all new, and all to himself category...  the steerable category.

After Dyson brought to market his DC18 “Slim” he looked around and saw he had absolutely ZERO COMPETITORS in his just established, and all to himself category...  the steerable category.

After Dyson brought to market his DC24 “Ball” he looked around and saw he had absolutely ZERO COMPETITORS in his 3 year old, and all to himself category...  the steerable category.

After Dyson brought to market his DC25 “Ball” he looked around and saw he had absolutely ZERO COMPETITORS in his 3 year old, and all to himself category...  the steerable category.

... since 2005 Dyson continues to own or monopolize and make great profits from the category he invented...  the steerable category, all the while his lazy competitors do nothing.  Too funny.

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

Just because a brand produces and markets a product with a feature and/or gimmick that is unique/first to market is of no sales consequence unless and until the general buying public embrace it and purchase.  I hear that the new dyson ball models [DC24/DC25] like the DC15 before are among the hardest dysons to sell and worse for sales.  The filter requirements for maintenance are more time consuming and burdensome on these new dyson ball models than the older DC15 ball, which add to their unpopularity.

You'd think after the DC15, the DC18, and the DC24/25, dyson would cut his loses and forget the steerable vacuum market, as you call it.  But, typical of privately held companies run by engineer/designers who control the thoughts and actions of their Boards, they just keep trying until they get it right.  Dyson did the same with the contra rotating washer for years.  It sold 1400 units in its best year [before returns].  A major dyson sales flop.  And the reason engineer/designers make terrible CEO's.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

Sorry HS, I missed this post from you.  I was not ignoring you.  HOOVER was and still is a mighty brand in comparison to most, including dyson.  Did I tell you, in a match off of the $549 DC17 Animal vice the $70 HOOVER TEMPO at the local BEST BUY store, the sales people picked the TEMPO hands down.  I agreed to buy whichever was the better of the two.  That's why I bought.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

Bingo!  I suspect that many Brits feel this way about dyson relocating his production plant from Malmesbury to Malaysia [Southeast Asians just like the Chinese who are Asians].  Hence the backlash for dyson in the UK.  Just substitute un-British for un-American.  The competition is capitalizing on this anti-dyson mood among Brits IMHO.  And the reason in part dyson is no longer the number one seller of vacuums in the UK.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

You always tell us that the big box stores ( BB is in this category ) do not have knowledge that independents have. Therefore it is better to buy a more expensive vac from an independent.

Now you tell us that you ( a self proclaimed know it all ) let BB influence your buying decision.  You also got an Oreck on your wife;s recommendation.

I don't think I would tell those things publicly. 

BTW, I did not expect you to admit that Hoover was a failure and had to have expertise to salvage them.  Didn't you tell us for years that the old Hoover would be the demise of Dyson?

HARDSELL wrote:

Hello HS:

Read again, my friend.  I said to the BEST BUY store sales staff I would buy the better of the two vacuums. Matching the most expensive vacuum at BEST BUY, a dyson DC17 Animal for $549, against the least expensive, the HOOVER TEMPO for $70.  With a panel of BEST BUY store staff as judges.  The TEMPO won hands down based on the judges conclusions, and I bought.  

Carmine D.