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Trilobite
Joined: Nov 7, 2007
Points: 121
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Re: New UK Hoover ranges at www.argos.co.uk
Reply #20 Aug 17, 2008 7:46 pm |
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Hey guys, take a closer look… Has Hoover UK (vacuum cleaners) somehow been rehabilitated and can now invent their own problem solving products? The Slalom at a glance… Filtration: Washable HEPA (per their site) Maneuverability: The Sebo Felix has already been doing this swivel/elbow w/ limited maneuverability for sometime; power nozzles on canisters also have this same swivel/elbow w/ limited maneuverability. Twisting turning: Where’s the right angle (to the body) handle grip? A average size and strength woman must have a gorilla grip like hand to squeeze the handle so it does not slip while attempting to twist n turn this vacuum. Weight in use (language used t Hoover site): Slalmon – 18.45lbs. Dyson DC15 – 19lbs. The Slalom is a problem solving disaster. Dyson is way, way ahead of the industry and does it much better… Buy a Dyson DC15 vs. Hoover Slalom or buy a DC24 or DC25 for a lighter and highly steerable vacuum (more than Sebo and Hoover UK). Hoover (vacuum) UK have a proven track record as *schemers not inventors. DIB *Remember the free flights w/ purchase fiasco? Stealing Dyson’s Dual Cyclone and then lying/misleading about it at trial – Mr. Dyson testified in detail how he invented the dual cyclone. Yet not one Hoover UK engineer or designer testified at trial to the Triple Vortex’s originality, the judge was not impressed. The Triple Vortex was apparently designed in conjunction with BHR Group, who are specialists in the oil industry. They specialise in cyclonic separation of the oil from sediments, and had a recycling system to amplify the amount of sediment recovered from the oil. Hoover apparently stated at the trial that their machine was derived from the oil industry technology.
The Hoover Triple Vortex had an intermediate cyclone, called "the involute vortex separator", situated between the low and high efficiency vortices. This did not deposit dirt in the normal way, by spinning it out of the airflow. Instead, it took the soiled air filtered by the perforated shroud, and allowed the air to follow a spiral pattern up the inside wall of a smaller diameter cyclone chamber, exiting tangentially via ducting, which led to the high efficiency vortex chamber, where the dust was spun out of the airflow. The clean air (which might still have dust particles in it) exited up through the vortex finder of the high efficiency chamber, right into the 'eye of the storm' of the involute chamber. The idea being that the dirt particles would rejoin the airflow in the involute chamber, to go for another scrubbing through the high efficiency chamber. The clean air from the high efficiency vortex finder traced a vertical path, right through the involute chamber, until it encountered another vortex finder at the top of this chamber. The air exited to a foam diffuser pre-motor filter, then into the motor. The exhaust filter was washable foam, on the basic model, or washable HEPA on the top model.
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Trilobite
Joined: Nov 7, 2007
Points: 121
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Re: New UK Hoover ranges at www.argos.co.uk
Reply #21 Aug 17, 2008 8:20 pm |
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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454
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Re: New UK Hoover ranges at www.argos.co.uk
Reply #23 Aug 18, 2008 2:54 pm |
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Trilobite, I have not seen the Vortex vacuum but the term “trumpet” shaped cyclone or alike came up often and that was where the infringement took place. Venson, The question amongst collectors most always is… Others invented the [dual] cyclone before Dyson. I have seen an upright (possibly Rexair?) patent, but I was not able to determine how it filtered exactly. This is very important to note... Hoover UK countersued Dyson and attempted to get the Dyson patent voided. Hoover’s position was - there was (much older) prior art out there. If I rember correctly, no Rexair patents of any sort were not used to demonstrate prior art, but instead 2 other and much older (than Dyson) U.S. patents (canisters, I think) were presented and the judge and he find prior art that pre-dated Dyson. I have some personal things that need attending and so in the future I may or may not be posting much. DIB
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Trilobite
Joined: Nov 7, 2007
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Re: New UK Hoover ranges at www.argos.co.uk
Reply #24 Aug 19, 2008 1:54 pm |
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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
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Re: New UK Hoover ranges at www.argos.co.uk
Reply #25 Aug 26, 2008 7:49 pm |
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Venson
Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900
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Re: New UK Hoover ranges at www.argos.co.uk
Reply #26 Aug 26, 2008 8:56 pm |
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Hi guys, This may be equally edifying. Please use the following link -- http://service.hoover.co.uk/fault-finder/FaultFinder.aspx?Section=43 I could not find a URL to download a user's manual for the Xarion but did find a page that links to aids for maintaining and trouble shooting this canister. This next link leads to a downloadable PDF of the Slalom's user guide. http://service.hoover.co.uk/manuals/pdfs/SL8127-PETS.pdf I will say up front that the Slalom does not provide a carpet height adjustment. Instead it features a suction relief valve underneath the base of the cleaner which is claimed to be set at low at the factory. Users may use a coiin to turn the valve from low to medium or high to suit their needs. This is the manner in which you would make pushing the machine easier. To facilitate fairness and an even playing field in regard to what's wonderful and what's not, I also include a link to Dyson's user page for the DC25. http://www.dyson.com/support/help.asp?article=1169&product=DC25-ALLFLOORS Best, Venson
This message was modified Aug 26, 2008 by Venson
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894
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Re: New UK Hoover ranges at www.argos.co.uk
Reply #27 Aug 27, 2008 7:47 am |
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Hello Venson: Thanks for taking the extra effort to post the URL's. The HOOVER cann [Xarion] and upright [Slalom] appear to be very worthy and competitive bagless vacuums. I gleaned the Web Site for the Xarion and User Guide for the Slalom and will go back to both and spend some more time to read and digest. And looked at the dyson DC25 Support Web Site you posted too. Thanks for your assistance and efforts. I like the step by step breakdown of the troubleshooting directions for the Xarion. Very detailed and explicit yet simple and easy to follow and understand. Nice aids for the vacuum buyer/consumer. I'm sure it is strictly coincidental and my own perspective. The images of the new Slalom put me in mind of the HOOVER Lark stick vacuum from the early 60's. Do you remember that model? Especially in the images of the upper [off the ground] part of the vacuum. A more recent similarity with the Slalom that comes to my mind too is the HOOVER Floormate, especially with the upper part of the vacuum. I still haven't seen the new HOOVER TTI Whispertone yet. And would like to match the two new HOOVER's [USA:Whispertone and UK Slalom] for differences and likenesses. Carmine D.
This message was modified Aug 27, 2008 by CarmineD
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DC18
Dyson, Sebo and Bissell user
Joined: Jul 25, 2007
Points: 294
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Re: New UK Hoover ranges at www.argos.co.uk
Reply #28 Aug 27, 2008 3:23 pm |
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I've seen the New Hoover Freedom Upright in a shop, very heavy to lift on brief inspection it had an info leaflet attached to the handle detailing the 'new' airvolution technology. I've not seen the Slalom as yet but on first seeing some pictures of it looks very impressive! It reminds me a bit of the Sebo Felix and the way the cleaning head\nozzle protrudes the cleaning base bit like the Dyson DC18 Slim! I see you have to call hoover to have the belt changed\replaced on the Slalom! I noticed no one has found the below links having done some searches myself on the Hoover Slalom a few weeks or so ago, I thought I would post them as they may be of interest to some of you: Pictures someone has posted (notice the brush bar in one picture! Look very plastic, not like the normal Hoover Brush Bars! Also note the Airvolution Cyclone pictures where it has been pulled apart to view): http://www.flickr.com/photos/chestermikeuk/sets/72157606427015333/ Link to Video of the Slalom in use on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDL85A06yAU&feature=related DC18
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Venson
Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900
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Re: New UK Hoover ranges at www.argos.co.uk
Reply #29 Aug 27, 2008 5:37 pm |
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Thanks again DC18. The links were great. My only problem with the You Tube clip is that the guy's house was too darn clean to tell how well it performed. I notice that the Slalom has no front wheels or rollers of enough size to give it significan support meaning the front end of the cleaner has to "float". Is it possible that carpeting with deep pile might be a challenge for it? I don't know what carpeting preferences are like in the UK or Europe. Best, Venson
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