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Venson


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Points: 1900

Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Original Message   Apr 29, 2008 10:31 am
Hi all,

Following is a link to a news article regarding the up and down sides for Electrolux during this year's first quarter.

http://www.centredaily.com/business/technology/story/553091.html

Best,

Venson

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DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #114   May 28, 2008 10:30 am
mole wrote:
Here is some more useless knowledge for you to ponder maybe since Vax which is owned by TTI,you know the same company that owns Dirt devil royal,regina,etc.The top end dirt devils carried a 6 year parts and labour oh i used the jolly good chaps version of labor, warranty for many years now,tti said what the heck the dirt devil cruiser is just as much junk as the Vax and Dyson, lets level the playing field out and tell the customers our junk is as good as their junk,except ours is in expensive junk,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Hey Gasko can i call you Dilbert Goldfarb,

sincerely

THE- MOLE

“More useless knowledge”?  Take it easy Sunshine.        DIB


DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #115   May 28, 2008 2:45 pm
Motorhead wrote:
Hi DIB,

Thanks for the patent clarification and proving that (once again) the Kenneth J. Weger patent has virtually no relevance on this thread (or concerning Dyson for that matter; two completely different machines).  I can see where the main body of the machine articulates, however, it does not appear that the nozzle can be easily steered as on the Dyson patent.  It's easy to tell why this lawsuit was thrown out; Dyson did not copy the patent but instead took the basic design and improved on it like they have done many times.  As for the name of his device, the "Ball Wheel Facilitator", I believe that is misleading because the term "ball wheel" implies that it is a single ball wheel, when it is instead two convex wheels that move with the articulated body of the cleaner.  Like you said, I do not see how this could be steered easily unless the nozzle floated somehow (since the nozzle is obviously not on a pivot itself), and even then I have to wonder how effective this steering mechanism would be.   Since Kenneth J. didn't actually produce a cleaner, we will have to leave it up to our own opinions.

As far as the Electrolux/Dyson issue with the recycled cleaner, do I predict it will be a huge blowup?  No, but something *will* happen eventually, most likely Electrolux removing their "world's first recycled vacuum cleaner" claim with a minimum of fanfare.

-MH (too far South to be my friend Tom G. lest you forget Carmine )

Hi Motorhead,

.

Thanks.

.

Don’t let Carmine rattle your cage (get you to doubt exactly how James will proceed or the spirit of your position) over what tools James may/may not use to remind competitors what is his, this includes using lawsuits.  Only after a filed lawsuit did Hoover U.S. abide by NAD’s ruling of – Do not use “No Loss of Suction” on their Fusion or Legacy vacuums and advertising that proved to indeed loose suction (after 10.5 oz. of dust).  I like underdogs and David vs. Goliath-like stories.  I put together a sampling of what James goes up against every day of his business life.        DIB

.

Dyson

Electrolux

1)      $1 billion annually

2)      2-3 million products sold annually (approx.)

3)      15 years in  business (Dyson LTD)

4)      1700 employees (approx.)

5)      45 markets

1)      $104 billion annually

2)      40 million products sold annually

3)      80 years in business

4)      56,900 employees

5)      150 markets

http://www.electrolux.com/company_overview.aspx

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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #116   May 28, 2008 6:09 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:

I like underdogs and David vs. Goliath-like stories.  I put together a sampling of what James goes up against every day of his business life.        DIB

.

Dyson

Electrolux

1)      $1 billion annually

2)      2-3 million products sold annually (approx.)

3)      15 years in  business (Dyson LTD)

4)      1700 employees (approx.)

5)      45 markets

1)      $104 billion annually

2)      40 million products sold annually

3)      80 years in business

4)      56,900 employees

5)      150 markets

http://www.electrolux.com/company_overview.aspx

Hello DIB:

Good info.  Thank you but................You provided the Electrolux source for your data.  How about the dyson source? 

Interesting too that you like the David and Goliath stories and favor the underdog.  How then do you explain your liking for dyson against Kenneth J, an engineering student.  Dyson LTD and the slick NY city lawyers with 3 names and 3 piece suits.  Sounds like you were in Goliath's corner in that fight.  Against David.

I always say: Where people stand oftentimes depends on where they sit.

Carmine D.

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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #117   May 28, 2008 6:42 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hi Motorhead,

.

Thanks.

.

Don’t let Carmine rattle your cage


Hello DIB:

This is very comforting to know.  Tom Gasko is locked up where he belongs.   

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #118   May 28, 2008 10:03 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hi Motorhead,

.

Thanks.

.

Don’t let Carmine rattle your cage (get you to doubt exactly how James will proceed or the spirit of your position) over what tools James may/may not use to remind competitors what is his, this includes using lawsuits.  Only after a filed lawsuit did Hoover U.S. abide by NAD’s ruling of – Do not use “No Loss of Suction” on their Fusion or Legacy vacuums and advertising that proved to indeed loose suction (after 10.5 oz. of dust).  I like underdogs and David vs. Goliath-like stories.  I put together a sampling of what James goes up against every day of his business life.        DIB

.

Dyson

Electrolux

1)      $1 billion annually

2)      2-3 million products sold annually (approx.)

3)      15 years in  business (Dyson LTD)

4)      1700 employees (approx.)

5)      45 markets

1)      $104 billion annually

2)      40 million products sold annually

3)      80 years in business

4)      56,900 employees

5)      150 markets

http://www.electrolux.com/company_overview.aspx


It is also good to know that in Dyson's case the underdog is best regardless of sales.  Look at the # of $50 Orecks sold for almost $800.  Good marketing is better than a great product (for sales and not the consumer).
DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #119   May 28, 2008 10:59 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
It is also good to know that in Dyson's case the underdog is best regardless of sales.  Look at the # of $50 Orecks sold for almost $800.  Good marketing is better than a great product (for sales and not the consumer).

Yes, I'd like to know since you mention it Hardsell.  What doe’s Oreck do... 1) in annual dollar sales 2) in annual vacuums sold 3) number of employees 4) just how old is the basic look of the Oreck 5) and what does the 1,000,000 hotel rooms vacuumed daily convert out to? -  What is the number of (commercial) vacuums used "...that cleans a million hotel rooms a day is now only $199!"   Carmine shoud be able to answer these fairly easy.  Carmine?        DIB

.

< I've seen a 1979 Oreck patent with this exact/near exact look.  But I think this look may be even older than that.


HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #120   May 28, 2008 11:17 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:

Yes, I'd like to know since you mention it Hardsell.  What doe’s Oreck do... 1) in annual dollar sales 2) in annual vacuums sold 3) number of employees 4) just how old is the basic look of the Oreck 5) and what does the 1,000,000 hotel rooms vacuumed daily convert out to? -  What is the number of (commercial) vacuums used "...that cleans a million hotel rooms a day is now only $199!"   Carmine shoud be able to answer these fairly easy.  Carmine?        DIB

.

< I've seen a 1979 Oreck patent with this exact/near exact look.  But I think this look may be even older than that.



You gotta love all that technology that Oreck uses.  It is about the same age as Ol Dave.
DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #121   May 29, 2008 2:04 am
Oreck patents - Filed in 1979. 1)  http://www.google.com/patents?id=mpc3AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=oreck#PPP1,M1

2)  http://www.google.com/patents?id=59wxAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=oreck

 < Oreck in 5/2008

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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #122   May 29, 2008 7:40 am
Hello Guys:

My, my.  How did we go from Electrolux, to dyson to ORECK?  Start an Oreck thread if you want to ask and answer questions about the most recognized man in the vacuum industry and his machines and business.  That is a more appropriate thread than this one.  Then all the ORECK facts will not be buried and hard to find.

But here's a taste for you:  Just focus on the 475-500 Oreck stores nationwide and do the math just for the real estate and ORECK store employees.  Not chinese/malay contractors [like dyson].  Impressive?  More opening every week too.  45 plus years of history in the US vacuum industry.  All vacuums still made in the USA.  $150-$199 for a US made vacuum with a 1-3 year warranty and 45 year history is a patriotic bargain. 

Carmine D.

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HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #123   May 29, 2008 8:15 am
CarmineD wrote:
Hello Guys:

My, my.  How did we go from Electrolux, to dyson to ORECK?  Start an Oreck thread if you want to ask and answer questions about the most recognized man in the vacuum industry and his machines and business.  That is a more appropriate thread than this one.  Then all the ORECK facts will not be buried and hard to find.

But here's a taste for you:  Just focus on the 475-500 Oreck stores nationwide and do the math just for the real estate and ORECK store employees.  Not chinese/malay contractors [like dyson].  Impressive?  More opening every week too.  45 plus years of history in the US vacuum industry.  All vacuums still made in the USA.  $150-$199 for a US made vacuum with a 1-3 year warranty and 45 year history is a patriotic bargain. 

Carmine D.


You should know better than anyone about getting off subject.  You add Dyson to every thread, regardless of the topic.  Payback can be hell.

Recognition of a founder and all the other references that you mention do not equal performance nor quality.  That 1- 3 year warranty is the biggest cost associated with an Oreck purchase.  Why no 5 or 6 year warranty?  The only impressive thing about Oreck is how they continue to sell inferior products. 

As for the XL21 warranty.  They must charge about $700 to $750 for that warranty.

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