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Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
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Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Original Message   Apr 29, 2008 10:31 am
Hi all,

Following is a link to a news article regarding the up and down sides for Electrolux during this year's first quarter.

http://www.centredaily.com/business/technology/story/553091.html

Best,

Venson

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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #94   May 25, 2008 8:43 pm
Hello DIB:

I thought for sure you would cite Mr. Dyson's use of the ball for the wheel barrow in 1974 as proof that the ball wheel was his long before Kenneth J.  While not relevant in a court of law, it would carry weight here for your argument.   Here is some reference material excerpted for you/others to enjoy:

Ballbarrow

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Ballbarrow was a type of wheelbarrow designed by James Dyson and released in 1974 in the United Kingdom. It featured a moulded plastic hopper on a steel frame and a spherical plastic wheel. This benefited all-terrain use as the ball did not dig into the ground like a conventional wheel and steering was much easier. The plastic hopper was easier to clean than galvanized steel alternatives; however, it was less robust, less suitable for mixing cement in and tended to age quickly in the sheds and garages it was typically stored in.

The Ballbarrow won the Building Design Innovation Award in 1977. Dyson continued with the ball-wheel concept in his design for the Trolleyball boat launcher in 1978, and the DC15 vacuum cleaner in 2005.

The Ballbarrow is no longer manufactured."  END

If dyson's latest revamps of the ball wheel vacuums [DC24/25] are received well, it is plausible that Kenneth J. may offer his invention to other vacuum manufacturers who may be interested.  However based on the lack of dyson success to date with the ball wheel vacuums [DC15/DC18], and GE in the early 1960's with a ball wheel vacuum similar to the DC18 Slim, I believe it is not probable. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #95   May 25, 2008 8:46 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hey Carmine,

I’m going to ask not to be used as a reference (although I did say a lawsuit was plausible) on any future pie throwing posts.  FYI, I happen to like your challenges and I appreciate what Motorhead contributes here, especially Dyson.  Thanks.

 

 DIB


Hello DIB:

I don't usually.  This was a rare and one time occasion here.  The purpose, which it served, was to tone down Tom Gasko's perverted perspective which is always to cry lawsuit whenever he perceives dyson is wronged.  

I note from his most recent post that it worked.  He's revised his original position.

Carmine D.

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CarmineD


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Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #96   May 25, 2008 8:50 pm
Motorhead wrote:

-MH (too far South to be my friend Tom G. lest you forget Carmine )



Hello Tom:

My thinking and memory are working fine and are no concern of yours.  You'd be better served to be concerned here with your own.

Carmine D.

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Trilobite


Joined: Nov 7, 2007
Points: 121

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #97   May 26, 2008 6:16 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hey Carmine,

I’m going to ask not to be used as a reference (although I did say a lawsuit was plausible) on any future pie throwing posts.  FYI, I happen to like your challenges and I appreciate what Motorhead contributes here, especially Dyson.  Thanks.

 

The reason we saw only 1 manufacturer knock off Dyson LTD’s innovations is due to James Dyson’s resolve and using the courts (lawsuits) to define/remind others what belongs to him.  The courts and news reports punished Hoover Candy terribly over them stealing James’s intellectual property. – This sent a message loud and clear to the vacuum manufacturing industry.  Only after the Dual Cyclone patents expired did Hoover Candy, and Bissell copy James’ Dual Cyclone.  Hoover U.S. gambled on producing a vacuum using near expired Dyson Dual Cyclone patents, which may or may not have been money up or not much money up for them.  I think Hoover/Mayag lost on this lazy gamble in the short and long term.  Why?  Great ideas come from outside inventors, not just employed engineers.  What outside inventor will be stupid enough to trust a willful thief?        DIB


But Hoover/Candy do not use the dual cyclone set-up. They use a single cyclone and pleated filters.

Hoover/Candy got its knuckles rapped over the 'Triple Vortex', which was shown to be a variation of the dual cyclone set-up, with an involute vortex separator. Hoover was thus banned from using the technology for an extra year beyond when the other manufacturers could use it.

However, Hoover had already moved onto the single cyclone + pleated filter arrangement, as used in the 'Vortex Power', 'Hurricane', 'Whirlwind', and 'Dust Manager', and 'The One'.

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DysonInventsBig


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Joined: Jul 31, 2007
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Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #98   May 26, 2008 7:40 pm
Trilobite wrote:
But Hoover/Candy do not use the dual cyclone set-up. They use a single cyclone and pleated filters.

Hoover/Candy got its knuckles rapped over the 'Triple Vortex', which was shown to be a variation of the dual cyclone set-up, with an involute vortex separator. Hoover was thus banned from using the technology for an extra year beyond when the other manufacturers could use it.

However, Hoover had already moved onto the single cyclone + pleated filter arrangement, as used in the 'Vortex Power', 'Hurricane', 'Whirlwind', and 'Dust Manager', and 'The One'.


Trilobite,

Yes, your right!  One can get a little lost keeping up with - who stole Dyson intellectual property, who’s copying Dyson intellectual property before its patent/s expired, who’s copying Dyson’s expired intellectual property, who helped Hoover U.S successfully keep and use Dyson’s un-expired intellectual property in the Hoover v. Dyson countersuit.  It’s Vax, and not Hoover Candy who I was thinking of that is using expired Dyson intellectual property and not Hoover Candy.  Thanks.        DIB

.

P.S.  Talk about lazy.... Vax even stole James’ tag he created and/or made famous. - “No Loss of Suction”. 

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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #99   May 27, 2008 7:31 am
mole wrote:
I wish DYSON would stop destroying the high end vacuum market.

MOLE

Hello Mole et al:

The local Fry's Electronics advertised new DC07 All Carpets on clearance/closeout for $299 for Memorial Day. 

Carmine D.

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CarmineD


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Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #100   May 27, 2008 7:40 am
DysonInventsBig wrote:

.

P.S.  Talk about lazy.... Vax even stole James’ tag he created and/or made famous. - “No Loss of Suction”. 


But Vax trumped dyson by upping its warranty [parts and labor] on new vacuums to 6 years!

Carmine D.

M00seUK


Joined: Aug 18, 2007
Points: 295

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #101   May 27, 2008 8:12 am
CarmineD wrote:
But Vax trumped dyson by upping its warranty [parts and labor] on new vacuums to 6 years!

Carmine D.


Yeah, they *surely* would have offered 6 years, even if the market leader didn't offer 5!

I don't know, but I'd be of the presumption that the quality of the VAX after sales support wouldn't be a patch on Dyson's.
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #102   May 27, 2008 8:21 am
M00seUK wrote:

I don't know, but I'd be of the presumption that the quality of the VAX after sales support wouldn't be a patch on Dyson's.


Hi M00seUK:

I think most vacuum buyers who shop the big box retail stores for their vacuums don't know and/or care about the difference in service support.  The warranty period is an up front selling feature in their minds and pocket minds.  Much like any other feature intrinsic to the vacuum. 

Carmine D. 

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CarmineD


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Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #103   May 27, 2008 8:24 am
DysonInventsBig wrote:

One can get a little lost keeping up with - who stole Dyson intellectual property, who’s copying Dyson intellectual property before its patent/s expired, who’s copying Dyson’s expired intellectual property, who helped Hoover U.S successfully keep and use Dyson’s un-expired intellectual property in the Hoover v. Dyson countersuit.  It’s Vax, and not Hoover Candy who I was thinking of that is using expired Dyson intellectual property and not Hoover Candy.  Thanks.        DIB


Hello DIB:

I'm getting ready to write my Congressional representatives about this matter.  I'm going to propose an intellectual property rights' tax.  My sense is that it will be an excellent source of revenue.  I'm surprised that it has not been thought of and proposed already.  Now, if I can only figure out a way to get a percentage of the revenues collected from the tax!  Rather than a flag that has flown over the Capitol!  Show me the money!

Carmine D.

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