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Venson


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Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Original Message   Apr 29, 2008 10:31 am
Hi all,

Following is a link to a news article regarding the up and down sides for Electrolux during this year's first quarter.

http://www.centredaily.com/business/technology/story/553091.html

Best,

Venson

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Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #7   May 4, 2008 9:56 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
A vacuum is not on display in the home like the appliances that you mention.  Those items are also considered as a status symbol by many.  In addition they are usually expected to last many years without replacement, wheras a cheap vacuum will hold the consumer until finances are in better order.  The fact that so many cheap vacs like Hoover and a few others is proof that most consumers could care less about the vacuums looks or performance.  Besides so many hire a maid to run the vacuum and do not know if it is performing at max.

Hi Hardsell,

I agree that there are those who do buy not just for service but to impress the neighbors as well.  However, I think the larger part of everyday consumers are getting ready to pull their belts in a notch or two.  I'm not much inclined to concern myself  over what the neighbors think unless they want to contribute to the rent.  No volunteers so far.

In my own case, I've been trying to figure out how to redo my very small cooking facility to make the best use of limited space.  As an instance, there are lots of great ideas I've seen like drawer refrigerators which cost nearly twice as much as a full-size refrigerator/freezer.  I could buy one but can't quite see the point in buying something half the size for twice the money.  Is there any real advantage in regard to quality in this case?  I don't think so.  While researching prices I actually got a salesman on the phone from Summitt, a manufacturer specializing in many kinds of configurations for refrigerators, freezers and cooking ranges, and put the question to him.  Regarding the issue of the high price of drawer refrigerators he made it known that there is nothing all that special about the making of them but that the speciality of the design pushed up pricing.  The desire to have something different therefore costs money. Looks like I'll be keeping the refrigerator I've got  and I'll try to work around it.

I'm as skeptical about kitchen ranges.  I've been looking over 24" gas ranges from as low as $300 to as high as $2,500.  Thinking extravagantly, why a small gas range could rise beyond $500 or $600 dollars at best I cannot fathom -- but they do.  Again, I might bite and go for an expensive item if it appeared that there might be some real edge benefit-wise for the spending other than good looks. Will an egg scramble any better on a plain-jane range from Sears or one by Fisher & Paykel?  That remains more an issue regarding the cook than the stove.  I rather spend substantially less money on a good pot or skillet that might enhance my possibilities for a good result and deal with a lesser range.

Best,

Venson

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #8   May 5, 2008 7:41 am
HARDSELL wrote:
A vacuum is not on display in the home like the appliances that you mention.  Those items are also considered as a status symbol by many.  In addition they are usually expected to last many years without replacement, wheras a cheap vacuum will hold the consumer until finances are in better order.  The fact that so many cheap vacs like Hoover and a few others is proof that most consumers could care less about the vacuums looks or performance.  Besides so many hire a maid to run the vacuum and do not know if it is performing at max.


HS:

This sounds an awful lot like you think price determines the sales of the vacuum products.  When MOLE posted this a little while back you disagreed and rebutted with the fact that so many dysons are sold.  Are you now having a change of heart/mine?

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #9   May 5, 2008 7:50 am
Venson wrote:
Hi Hardsell,

I agree that there are those who do buy not just for service but to impress the neighbors as well.  However, I think the larger part of everyday consumers are getting ready to pull their belts in a notch or two.  I'm not much inclined to concern myself  over what the neighbors think unless they want to contribute to the rent.  No volunteers so far.

Best,

Venson



Hi Venson:

I agree that people are cutting back on many expenditures which ultimately affect the home decor and lifestyle.  Just to pay gas and food coats.  This impacts and affects manufacturers of high price, high end products like autos, appliances, clothes etc.  We've seen some companies close, stores shuttered, and bankruptcy filings.  Sure, there's more to come.  I think AB Electrolux's intro in the USA is an uphill battle.  The timing is bad.  If the economy were hitting on all/most cylinders, the success would be more likely.  But with the current economic environment, about the only thing the new appliances at BEST BUY will do is look good and need dusting every week.

Now, if Kelly Rippa wants to accompany the BEST BUY delivery truck and installers to my house for my purchases, I might reconsider. 

Carmine D.

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mole


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Joined: Sep 30, 2007
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Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #10   May 5, 2008 8:46 am
Just so the truth be known about the ELECTROLUX vacuums,it's just a rebadged eureka oxygen,with very marginal attachments,Lets see now take a 200.00 eureka oxygen put the electrolux name on it and ask 500 plus for it .Boy what marketing genius that is................

MOLE

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #11   May 5, 2008 9:11 am
CarmineD wrote:
Hi Venson:

I agree that people are cutting back on many expenditures which ultimately affect the home decor and lifestyle.  Just to pay gas and food coats.  This impacts and affects manufacturers of high price, high end products like autos, appliances, clothes etc.  We've seen some companies close, stores shuttered, and bankruptcy filings.  Sure, there's more to come.  I think AB Electrolux's intro in the USA is an uphill battle.  The timing is bad.  If the economy were hitting on all/most cylinders, the success would be more likely.  But with the current economic environment, about the only thing the new appliances at BEST BUY will do is look good and need dusting every week.

Now, if Kelly Rippa wants to accompany the BEST BUY delivery truck and installers to my house for my purchases, I might reconsider. 

Carmine D.



Carmine,

I think this answers your question about my thinking.  If the economy is good the consumer will pay more for a vac. 

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #12   May 5, 2008 1:21 pm
HS:

I knew you would respond in that manner using my post.  Thank you.

I think Mole hit the nail on the head about vacuums and price.  Most vacuum buyers go to big box stores to buy a vacuum that lasts a few years, then dispose and buy new again.  Regardless of the state of the economy.  Those who buy quality vacuums from independent vacuum stores will do so in good times/bad.  Why?  Because in bad times, they'll have the quality vacuum repaired and continue to use it.  In good times, they'll buy another new quality vacuum by trading up/gifting away the old to a family member.

Now for high priced vacuums in big box stores:  In bad times: you got it.  They ain't gonna sell.  Dyson, electrolux, and whatever other brand you put into a big box store with a high price.  Read halo!

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #13   May 5, 2008 2:04 pm
CarmineD wrote:
HS:

I knew you would respond in that manner using my post.  Thank you.

I think Mole hit the nail on the head about vacuums and price.  Most vacuum buyers go to big box stores to buy a vacuum that lasts a few years, then dispose and buy new again.  Regardless of the state of the economy.  Those who buy quality vacuums from independent vacuum stores will do so in good times/bad.  Why?  Because in bad times, they'll have the quality vacuum repaired and continue to use it.  In good times, they'll buy another new quality vacuum by trading up/gifting away the old to a family member.

Now for high priced vacuums in big box stores:  In bad times: you got it.  They ain't gonna sell.  Dyson, electrolux, and whatever other brand you put into a big box store with a high price.  Read halo!

Carmine D.



I know several Dyson owners who live in homes costing 1 - 2 Million $.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #14   May 5, 2008 5:57 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
I know several Dyson owners who live in homes costing 1 - 2 Million $.



HS:

I know several HOOVER and DIRT DEVIL vacuum owners too who live in expensive homes costing a million and more.  And some persons who live in Section 8 housing who use and like dysons.  It's irrelevant to "most buyers" who shop at the big box retailers who are cutting back now on high price purchases so they can buy food and gas and make their mortgage payments [read survive].

Big box retailers want to sell new vacuums every year.  These are commonly called the disposable vacuums not the repairable ones.  If vacuums sit on the shelf unsold, they take up space.  Retailers NOW  [read hard economic times and people not spending for high cost items] prefer less expensive vacuums that sell quickly. [Look at the big box retailers' advertised sales in the weeklies].  Not $500 plus vacuums that don't sell in the bad economic times at the big box stores. 

I said that a few posts up.  Mole said it awhile back.  You agreed with us.  Hard not to.  Common sense and real life. 

Carmine D.

This message was modified May 5, 2008 by CarmineD
CarmineD


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Points: 5894

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #15   May 9, 2008 12:52 pm
I see my man Rege and his lovely cohost Kelly are gifting away Electrolux appliances to their audience members and TV viewers. 

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #16   May 17, 2008 2:22 am
Electrolux launches a "Green" vacuum.  Story here.


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