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Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
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Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Original Message   Apr 29, 2008 10:31 am
Hi all,

Following is a link to a news article regarding the up and down sides for Electrolux during this year's first quarter.

http://www.centredaily.com/business/technology/story/553091.html

Best,

Venson

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Motorhead


Joined: Nov 2, 2007
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Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #31   May 18, 2008 6:18 pm
CarmineD wrote:
I believe the exact words of the poster were:  "A big legal action by dyson all wrapped up in a big red bow."  Nothing ever happened over the matter despite repeated mention by the poster. 

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Carmine,

Dyson v. Maytag, did it happen?  Yes.

 

  • Lawsuit filed on 6/5/05
  • Jury trial demanded.
  • Dyson claims 4 of its patents were infringed by Hoover (Walmart/Fusion)
    • Patent’s:  4643748, 4826515, 4853008, 5858038

DIB


Interesting contrast between these two posts.  From Carmine's post it doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine who the implied poster was.  See, as always, "that poster" was right!
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #32   May 18, 2008 6:53 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
What do you mean (above)?        DIB


DIB:

The case was dismissed and no jury heard it.  Why?  A change in the patent and copy right laws making it more difficult for the aggrieved parties to prevail and win on copy right and patent infringements in the USA courts.  Nothing happened.  Zip.  Thrown out.

Carmine D.

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DysonInventsBig


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Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #33   May 18, 2008 7:14 pm
CarmineD wrote:
DIB:

The case was dismissed and no jury heard it.  Why?  A change in the copy right laws making it more difficult for the aggrieved parties to prevail and win on copy right infringements in the USA courts.  Nothing happened.  Zip.  Thrown out.

Carmine D.

Carmine,

Hoover’s old business model was, it seems…  If we can’t engineer it (i.e. think outside of the box), then we’ll steal it.  Patents (hard earned inventions) were the issue, not copyrights.        DIB

 

Links:

http://www.appliancemagazine.com/zones/consumer/06_housewares/news.php?article=1073414&zone=6&first=151

 

http://www.manatt.com/Attorneys.aspx?id=1831


CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #34   May 18, 2008 7:37 pm
Hello DIB:

Thanks for the links and commentary.  Here's my take on the results of the suit based on the information provided and I'm familiar with.

No jury trial, as demanded. 

Settled out of court before arguments given and heard. 

Terms of settlement not disclosed [confidential]. 

In my view, the above is another way of saying both sides got absolutely nothing!  Zip.  And the case for patent infringement by dyson against HOOVER was thrown out. 

If dyson had a case against HOOVER, especially on patent infringement, it would have gone to trial for a jury hearing and a very public award of damages.  IMHO. Why?  That was dyson's previous courses of action in 2 cases involving patent/copyright infringements.  Dyson was awarded pretty hefty sums in those cases and used the money to start and expand its operations.  The cases and awards are very public and widely known in those cases.  Why?  As a deterent for others. 

Not so in the case in question.  It resulted in a no win for dyson.

Carmine D.

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CarmineD


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Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #35   May 18, 2008 8:01 pm
CarmineD wrote:
DIB:

The case was dismissed and no jury heard it.  Why?  A change in the copy right laws making it more difficult for the aggrieved parties to prevail and win on copy right and patent infringements in the USA courts.  Nothing happened.  Zip.  Thrown out.

Carmine D.



DIB:

Thank you for pointing out the distinction for patent and copy right.  I edited my post to include both.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #36   May 18, 2008 8:05 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hello Hardsell:

Trade magazine?  Gag order on settlement?  No, I don't think so.  You must be confused.  Very public and widely known and talked about on other Forums.  It amounted to a big zip for dyson and HOOVER all around.  BTW, the FUSION is a sourced vacuum.  Made for HOOVER, not by HOOVER. 

Carmine D.

Now you are admitting that the above is incorrect.     As I said :   Terms of the settlement were confidential

Hello DIB:

Thanks for the links and commentary.  Here's my take on the results of the suit based on the information provided and I'm familiar with.

No jury trial, as recommended. 

Settled out of court before closing arguments given and heard. 

Terms of settlement not disclosed [confidential]. 

In my view, the above is another way of saying both sides got absolutely nothing!  Zip.  And the case for patent infringement by dyson against HOOVER was thrown out. 

If dyson had a case against HOOVER, especially on patent infringement, it would have gone to trial for a jury hearing and a very public award of damages.  IMHO. Why?  That was dyson's previous courses of action in 2 cases involving patent/copyright infringements.  Dyson was awarded pretty hefty sums in those cases and used the money to start and expand its operations.  The cases and awards are very public and widely known in those cases.  Why?  As a deterent for others. 

Not so in the case in question.  It resulted in a no win for dyson.

Carmine D.



Your earlier view was that I was confused and that everyone knew the answer.  Your view as to both sides getting nothing is worthless..

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #37   May 18, 2008 8:08 pm
HS:

Even a blind groundhog finds a acorn now and then.  Congrats on your acorn.

Still a big zip for dyson.  Didn't get a penny.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #38   May 18, 2008 8:09 pm
CarmineD wrote:
HS:

Even a blind groundhog finds a acorn now and then.  Congrats on your acorn.

Still a big zip for dyson.  Didn't get a penny.

Carmine D.



They still broke the hoover thieves.
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #39   May 18, 2008 8:16 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
They still broke the hoover thieves.

Sorry, I disagree with you and others  Nothing lost, nothing gained.  HOOVER called dyson's bluff on the lawsuit and dyson caved.  No jury trial.   Dyson could have demanded the jury trial and asked for monetary damages instead of settling.  Dyson had the best legal team money could buy.  Dyson settled because it knew [its lawyers knew] the suit was a frivolous and dyson would lose.

Carmine

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HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #40   May 18, 2008 9:02 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Sorry, I disagree with you and others  Nothing lost, nothing gained.  HOOVER called dyson's bluff on the lawsuit and dyson caved.  No jury trial.   Dyson could have demanded the jury trial and asked for monetary damages instead of settling.  Dyson had the best legal team money could buy.  Dyson settled because it knew [its lawyers knew] the suit was a frivolous and dyson would lose.

Carmine



Terms of the settlement were confidential

Read  above.  You have no idea what the settlement was.  Prior to today you did not know that the settlement was confidential.  Another example of why no one takes your advice.

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