Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

The launch of the DC23 from the Canadian website is up.

Dyson DC23

mole wrote:

Mole:

Sorry folks to get off subject.  And perhaps it's not off subject.  But is the subject.  Mole's observation about the vacuum industry, especially independents, is honest.  The indy dealers [thousands nationwide] sell Oreck-s in large part because they are USA made and have 45 plus years of history and sales success.  Big box retailers sell the foreign competition.  The Oreck is and always has been a top tier contender lasting a lifetime.  The big box retailers sell disposables. 

Getting back to dyson: Perhaps the reason dyson loses market share every year in it's own country of origin, the UK, is because the UK consumers disapprove of James Dyson's decision to out source jobs to foreign contractors in Malaysia.  Maybe they believe it is a socially irresponsible business decision.  Predicated on profit motives.  

Maybe that's the reason for Mr. Dyson promoting an Engineering school in the UK.  A way to give back to the UK [and try to gain back market share from the UK consumers who now shun dyson products].  Something to ponder?

Carmine D.

I said I hated the plastic used on the new Dyson wands on the DC22 and DC23 cios they are not high quality steel or the alluminium they used to use on the other teloescopic models.  Though I never liked the alluminium.  The Dyson Australia says the following. about it.

NEW! Lightweight Telescopic Wand
Glass fibre composite wand for extra strength and lightness

Why cant the UK site or brochure be more informative.

BestVacuum.com has Dyson's on sale and is showing the DC23 for sale too - $700 for a better filtering DC21?.  Here.

DIB:

I'll make the same observation [not theory] about the dysons from Bestvacuum.com as bestbuys.com.  ALL the dysons, including the latest and greatest DC24 and 25, are discounted from MSRP.  Many substantially.  Except one:  The least:  DC16 still $149.  There is even a disclaimer excluding the DC16 for discounts from MSRP.   Did you see it?  Interesting?  Absurd?  Laughable?  All the above?  I'll go with all the above.  iMacDaddy nailed it right.  Dyson is scrubbing the DC16.  Gave up on improving the run time. 

Two different sites on two different days and same observation to make.  All dysons are discounted from MSRP but one.  Why?  It's the worse of the dysons.  But the DC16 is listed at $149.  The original and full MSRP.  Why? 

Try this for an answer.  Dyson USA is discounting the DC16 by $100 with the sale of any new dyson.  Put the word out to retailers not to discount the DC16.  How long will it be until the few retailers stuck with these do the same as dyson.  Or better?  They have to do something to compete with dyson and get rid of these.  They are not going to increase in run time based on increased time sitting on the shelves.  The longer these lay unsold, the more difficult they are to sell.  Especially with the run time specified and the star ratings of the users.

Unless dyson agreed with the retailers to take all these back for credit?  Like the DC11.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
I will make the same observation regarding any brand that is sold thru box stores, not just Dyson.  A look at Amazon.com finds every Hoover they carry deeply discounted off the MSRP. Same applies to Bissell.  If your argument is that they don't command the same pricing at Dyson then check www.allergybegone.com and find all the Electrolux product discounted to death.   As far as the DC16 not being reduced at those two websites, that is indeed true but a little searching finds Best Buy and many other retailers discounting the product. If deep discounts sounded the death bell for a brand of vacuums we'd all be using brooms and dustpans to clean with.

Dusty

dusty wrote:

Thank you Dusty for using observation and not theory.  Here's the crux of the matter.  All the dyson dealers in the past here bragged of dyson's MAP and price supports for product MSRP.  You too.  MOLE and I said it wouldn't last.  All you need do is check the past vacuum history for big box retailers.  In the big box venue, these retailers would force dyson to drop prices and like it.  Or else.  You and all the dyson fans argued that it would never happen with dyson.  NEVER.  Maybe on the old discontinued models [MAYBE] but not the new dyson stuff.  WRONG.   Discounts on everything dyson, new and old.   Except the DC16 which will probably get scrubbed by dyson in the USA after they are all given away. 

Dyson fans flip flop now and put dyson in the same category as all the big box vacuums.  Hello!  Thank you!  Flip flop, flip flop when will it stop?  You're late to the right side of the debate.  MOLE and I told you this years ago.  Didn't listen.  Rookies!

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
I have never thought of Dyson as anything more than a box store vacuum which is why we held off so long before bringing them in.  When a vac is sold nationally in a box store environment you have to expect that price will not hold.  I will point out however that for the 3 years Dyson has been in Canada pricing has stayed at MSRP for the most part.  I have never bragged about Dysons MSRP or said price will never drop, I haven't been here long enough to get into those discussions. I will say the high price has been good for our industry because the customer now relates to a better vacuum costing $500-$700. It's much easier to sell Riccar, Miele etc when people have been inundated with advertising showing high price points than when they come in thinking a great quality vacuum is a $150 Dirt Devil.

Dusty

Hello Dusty:

I could not have written your post better myself.  I agree with everything you said about dyson being just another big box seller subject to all the pricing shananigans of the big box store models.

I apologize to you for grouping you in with all the other dyson dealers who spouted the drivel that dyson was different.  You obviously do not hold that position.  My compliments.

Dyson has done more to revitalize the vacuum industry in the USA by accident than all the other vacuum makers have done on purpose in the last 50 years.  I've said this many times.  But it's worth repeating for you who may not have read it before and others who have.

Carmine D.

Hi Dusty,

I was unaware the DC23’s cyclones were much like the DC17’s.  I assumed the DC23 and the DC22 used the same cyclone set up (1 intermediate cyclone).        DIB

 

Netherlands DC23: http://www.dyson.nl/media/streaming.asp?menu=&video=No%20Loss%20of%20Suction%20-%202008&id=13

DC22:  http://www.viddler.com/explore/InventBig/videos/34/?secreturl=95217104

Hi DIB

THats interesting to know, I though the DC22 and DC23 had the same cyclone and core technology, but looking at your posting they don't.  What are the advantages between the 2?  I would think they both have about the same number of small cyclones on the top of the bin.  Will 2 intermediate cyclones filter any better than one big one!?

DC18