Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

The launch of the DC23 from the Canadian website is up.

Dyson DC23

CarmineD wrote:

Wait a minute, somebody is jumping the gun!

There is no evidence at all, that says any of the current range of Dyson cleaners, on sale in USA or Europe, are fitted with the Dyson Digital Motor!

As far as I am aware, only the Japanese market had such motors.

The DDM is supposed to generate one third more suction than an ordinary motor, so a 200 air Watt ordinary motor machine should be nearer 300 air Watts if the DDM is present.

Hello Trilobite:

I never said it did.  My point is the price tag is high regardless of what it has.  And at the high price it would be a difficult sales venue at the big box retailers, dyson's usual sales market.

My sense is Mr. Dyson wants to test market the DDM DC23 in Japan first.  See what all the glitches may be.  The Japanese consumers are much more forgiving than the US.  Then polish it up/over and launch in the USA.  After the DC11 canister in 2004, I think he learned a lesson about US consumers.   He is still shell shocked.  

This is not the best time for a $700 plus dyson canister in the USA unless it's twice as good as the competition without any wiggle room for the slightest doubt.   The only proof postive to support this fact is that the indy vacuum dealers have to sell it with their full faith and confidence.  I don't think that's going to happen.  Although they [indy dealers] can certainly quote the latest CR results for dyson reliability to help make their case.  If they are so inclined.

Carmine D.

I spoke with one of the Dyson phone operators today, and she said that this model is going to be sold through only independent vacuum shops, in addition to up-market online retailers like the one I hyperlinked a fews posts back. From the information she had, she saw no signs of a DDM being featured in the DC23.

iMacDaddy:  Thanks for the call to Dyson and the post.

 

Anyone:  I myself do not care for the DC21 ball/power head due to its heavy weight and the bulky and somewhat heavy connector fitting at the end of the wand.  The DC23 Canada uses the DC21’s power nozzle on the DC23, it will probably be the same for the U.S., but I hope not.  I must admit I do compare my DC05 in weight to the subsequent Dyson canisters.  I’ve posted these weights before but here they are again, the combined weights for the hose, wand and power nozzle on; DC05 - 5.6lbs. vs. DC21 – 8.6lbs.  Three pounds is a lot of additional weight.  In addition the DC05's wand can separate from the hose where the DC21 and presumably the DC22/23 cannot.  Am I the only one who thinks separating the hose from the wand is what the general public wants and expects?        DIB

Hi DIB

I believe you can take the hose of the telescope wand on the DC21, DC22 and DC23.  The tools then fit straight onto the hose end!

DC18

DC18 wrote:

Hey DC,

For sure the straight suction models had the ability to detach the hose from the wand.  But the photos on the Japanese DDM DC22 Motorhead showed the wand and hose unable to disconnect, just like the DC21 Stowaway.  I for one dislike immensely my Stowaway’s single piece hose and wand.        DIB

Sorry DIB I forgot the DC21 (same in the UK) doesn't have this due to the motorhead powered nozzle!  Also our DC23 in the UK is just suction with air driven power nozzles not motor driven hence you can remove the hose and wand.  I forgot the US version of the DC23 is power driven!

DC18

DC18 wrote:
No sorry's necessary.  Forgetting is easy to do, just ask me.         DIB

You 3 , Technologists have the greatest amount of the most useless knowledge of any one I know,

Could any of you please explain to the forum what any of this technobabble means to the average person.

  MOLE

Hi everyone,

Heard more on the DC23 today.  I called my local Dyson dealer to inquire about them and he said he had just received a shipment of DC23s last Friday.  Unfortunately, the US version does not have the digital motor, though he did mention that the motor is different than the DC21.  It does have Core separation (though the final stage is not in a series like I thought before; the cyclones are in parallel like the other models), and the telescoping wand (which does disconnect from the hose; it is worth noting that this is a current change in the production run and the first 10,000 or so do not disconnect as they use DC21 wand assemblies) is multiple-position.  The Motorhead is also slightly different from the DC21's version, with a bumper in the front.

But what a letdown.  These features, while an improvement over the DC21, do not justify the hefty $800 pricetag; if this machine was priced along the lines of the DC17 it would make much more sense.  If I'm going to pay upwards of $600 for a vacuum, it had better have one feature that stands out from the competition (in this case it *would have been* the brushless DDM).  Best of luck to the dealers trying to sell these possible white elephants at $800, I think the only way they will be able to is if they lower the price drastically (but still enough to recoup their initial investment) to around $600 or so.  Really, this suggested retail is all about profits; as I was told these are $400 wholesale.  How much $#%* money does a dealer need to make on a single machine these days!?

May as well get a brushless Rainbow...

-MH