Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

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Hi DIB,

Thanks for the link.  The PDF with the diagram shows something different for change -- meaning no potential for lawsuits from you know who.  The design appears to allow for more dust capacity.  I wish Miele luck with it.

Best,

Venson

Its not going to be quite as good as Dysons cyclone system but if its rarely good, then I may consider purachsing this as I think Miele products are good.  I like the quality of their vacuum cleaners but the cyclinder I used to use to clean the local dentist in the evening used to lose suction as the bag filled up, and this was Miele latest tear proog disposable bag - I forgot what Miele called it but it wasn't a paper bag.

I currently have a Dyson DC04 and have had it for 5 and a bit years now, been a very good machine and has constant suction even when the bin is full but so many parts have broken even the main body has cracked which meant a whole complete stripdown of the machine.

Good on Miele though,  Even thou I thought Miele were against the Bagless, due to the publicity stunt they did in 1999 with a DC03 with the brushbar turned off, the DC03 alone could not remove all the fluff without the brushbar on,  the DC04 at the time may have been able to and certainly the Dyson cyclinder but not the DC03.

It will be good when Miele launches their upright range.

As mentioned earlier that I believe Miele wants to dominate the high end vacuum market in the USA.  Have to have and offer bagless vacuums to do it.

Carmine D.

Dont be to surpised if this system is not released in the near future.............

  MOLE

bucks03 wrote:


You do realize when the Dyson Bin is all filled it only amounts to a tiny portion of dirt that has been fluffed up.. which seems like alot. If the same amount of dirt were sucked into a Miele the bag, it would amount to nothing. So If you were to change the miele bag as much as you changed the Dyson canister there would be no suction loss either.

Venson wrote:

Venson, I am glad you took the time to give it a look.  This is the most unlike-Dyson low w/ high cyclonic filtration design I have seen to date.  There is lots of creativity that went into this, I applaud the inventors.  We’ll have wait and see if it is user friendly/easy to maintain and if it filters well.

Patent lawsuits:  Many, many, many are in line with their Dyson-like low w/ high cyclonic filtration patent pending filtration.  They are all now having to do some fancy foot work so not to infringe.        DIB

Updated on 4/16/08:    The more I look at this Miele cyclonic patent, it is more and more obvious it was the Dyson Root + Core Separator that has been reversed engineered, but cleverly engineered with new and patentable innovations.        DIB

Lucky1 wrote:

Lucky.  Yes I know,  I have conducted my own tests and do know the amount in a Dyson looks more than it is in a bag cleaner but I have also taken a Dyson with me and used it to clean this dentist and did not experience any loss off suction where as unfortunataly the Miele suction become lesser and lesser over use.  The Dyson even when bunched up with dirt right to the top of the bin past the MAX mark still had the same suction level for which the DC03 is very very poor.

You have to bear in mind I have been using this Miele and Dyson in commercial environment 3 times a week, so I don't know how the Miele would be in domestic scenery but for sure it lost suction in the Dentist.  I use Dyson DC04 in my house and it certainly has a much bigger capacity than the newer Dysons which have a pathetically low bin capacity - Dyson can claim this claim that but I would not like to keep emptying the bin all the time.

The only thing I like about the bag is it is clean disposal.  Good on Miele for looking into bagless.

Wow, that is interesting, considering that Miele said that bags are best for disposing of dust. Maybe they've had enquiries from customers about bagless machines?

It'll be interesting to see the actual machine.

The more I look at this Miele cyclonic patent, it is more and more obvious it was the Dyson Root + Core Separator that has been reversed engineered, but cleverly engineered with new and patentable innovations.        DIB

Lucky1 wrote:

Lucky,

You are correct, on some Dyson's there is not of a lot of debris compression (DC21, DC11).  But on others the compression is surprising, my DC15 and DC05 indeed compress debris and pet hair well.        DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Hi DIB,

I notice this with my DC21 as well; it does tend to fluff the debris up quite a bit so it appears that there is more dirt in the bin than there really is.  However, in most situations I can still get a good amount of debris in it before  emptying. 

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Hi DIB,

I notice this with my DC21 as well; it does tend to fluff the debris up quite a bit so it appears that there is more dirt in the bin than there really is.  However, in most situations I can still get a good amount of debris in it before  emptying.