Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Some observations -

• Oreck is conspicuously missing from the upright ratings.
• Panasonic has a new AeroBlast for $700 is a apparently a poor copy of a Dyson that burps loudly when it reverses the air flow to clean the filter.   Why would anyone pay so much for a Dyson copy, particularly when the filter clogs with fine dust?
  
• Hoover's fall from grace is noted, presumably due to their ill conceived bagless vacuums.  Hoover now has the worst reliability of the uprights.  Dyson is second only to Kirby in the reliability rankings.   
  
• For uprights, Kenmore takes the top 2 spots (bagged and bagless), followed by the Riccar SupraLite RSL3, the Electrolux Oxygen EL5035A, and the Kirby Sentria.  
  
• The Halo is #33 on the list for uprights. 
  
• The $60 Hoover Tempo Widepath has a better tool airflow score than the Dyson DC17 as well as better carpet cleaning scores. 
  

CarmineD wrote:

I bet they also did no tlook at BMW, Lexus and Mercedes.  Just because people walk past goods they can't afford does not mean that they do notg desire them.  If you were the honest pro that you pretend to be you would say that Dyson did not work for you, however most who have purchased one rave about it's performance.  What does the fact that the Wife is a pharmicist have to do with vacuums? 

Our local COSTCO stores do not have those excessive Dyson invnetories.

The 20% off has always applied to all vacuums in the stores that I visit.

BTW,  while in WM yesterday I looked at vacuums.  The WM price cards on the Dysons reads:  NO LOSS OF SUCTION.

Also noticed that the new Hoovers have stickers on them claiming that they are better than some other brands.  Dyson is not one of those brands.

HARDSELL wrote:

Hey my man:

COSTCO's storehouses of dysons are empty now.  All dyons have been shipped to retail stores that have had the best success for dysons' selling.  Buyers can't order any dysons on-line.  No more.  They are just sold in a limited number of stores until the all the old stock is gone.  I'm expecting yard sales on these in the future.  Read spring/summer.  Of course, this action comes as a result of consumers putting the brakes on spending.  Why?  High gas prices and food prices are burning away buying power from consumers for discretionary goods like high priced vacuums.  Some like you are even selling their dysons for the money.

All retailers have dropped the dyson mantra : "Never clogs.  Never loses suction."  Some were quick to scrub the slogan [even before dyson made the official notice], others a little slower.  By now, all have.  Some have adopted the new dyson slogan: "Never loses suction."  Which is only half of the original dyson claim which launched dyson in the USA.   BTW, the half-truth is not exclusively used for dysons.  Retailers make the same claim with other vacuum brands/models now too.  It's a fad now to say it.  Which diminishes the impact for dyson.  Most retailers didn't go with the half-truth BECAUSE it forces them to answer consumer questions about: "What happened to the Never clogs? 

Professional working women and the young Utah couple, who are the donee of the HOOVER Elite Rewind, are a major part of the dyson target market of dyson vacuums.  Some say "the" dyson market.  Old people like me don't like dysons.  Young single people can't afford them.  As dyson loses the newlywed and youngish married couples, its US sales suffer.  And the US is still dyson's biggest vacuum market.  Or more properly, was. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I forgive you only because you are so stupid.  Why else does one sell something.  I understand why you have gifted all those vacuums.  Only one was worthy of selling (see my first statement if in doubt).

"Never clogs.  Never loses suction."  This would not be an issue with intelligent people (see my first statement again to understand why you have a problem with it).  Everyone else knows that when used properly a Dyson maintains suction far longer than any other brand.  Nothing is forever.  Even when abused the Dyson will maintain suction longer than any other under the same circumstances.

Suffering during financial stressd periods is not the same as your beloved Hoover that suffers from poor performance and quality. Those who are buying the lower priced, lower quality machines will upgrade when times get better.

HARDSELL wrote:

My good friend:

If only I were so [stupid], it would be much easier to have a meeting of the minds with you.  

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I sold my DC07 to a young couple.  I gave them a good deal on what I think is a very good vacuum and I have never felt guilty for selling something that I believe in.

You have mentioned several times that you have gifted many vacuums.  You go so far as to praise the performance of the vacuums that you have gifted.  There is one exception, the DC07.  You have bashed this vacuum at every opportunity.  You have told us that it will damage carpet to the extent that some carpet manuracturers will void their warranty if a Dyson is used.  Why would you gift the worst vacuum that you ever owned to your beloved daughter? 

Now that is backwards.

HARDSELL wrote:

HS:

When I purchased the DC07 on Labor Day in 2006, I knew it was designed for European carpets [read low and smooth pile].  As I said many times, I was loaned a DC07 to use in my Virginia home and was not impressed.  At the time, my daughter and son-in-law's home in Las Vegas had builder grade carpets [low, smooth pile].  I was not surprised that the DC07 pink did not work on my wool medium pile loop carpets.  I didn't want to follow the advice that the dyson tech line gave me: Return to the retailer, it won't work on your carpets.  So, I gifted to my daughter.  It worked fine on her carpets which were builder grade with standard backing.

When she and my Son-in-law bought a new house in June 2007 with upgrade carpets and backing, like mine, the dyson failed miserably.  I wasn't surprised. 

Now to tell you the rest of the story [which I've stated in parts on other posts].  In December 2007, my dear daughter asked if she could gift the dyson pink to her friend in the Church, who with her husband and several children, were having financial difficulties and needed a vacuum.  I said sure.  It was being stored in the spare bedroom unused.  She did.  But, not for long.  It didn't work.  Same problem. Couldn't push and pull and the gawdawful ratcheting noise.  My daughter told me after the couple returned it unused

What does a father, with 40 plus years in the vacuum business do?  I went to HOME DEPOT and purchased a new HOOVER TEMPO and gave it to my Son-in-law so he could give it to the couple for Christmas.  He did, they love it.  The DC07 pink is still sitting in my daughter's home unused.  Waiting for another needy recipient. 

Carmine D.

PS:  The final chapter.  My Son-in-law's brother and Wife [the Utah couple] were visiting LV when the Church couple dropped off the dyson pink.  The Utah couple mentioned they needed a vacuum.  You know the rest.  I visited my daughter for the Holidays.  The Utah couple was there.  I learned that the Wife used a HOOVER Rewind Elite at COSTCO and liked it.  My Wife and I went to COSTCO bought a new Elite and gave it to the couple as a wedding/housewarming gift.  They love it.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

You never told us that the DC07 worked fine on any of your daughters carpet (that I recall). 

Cheapskate buys low end Hoover.   Why not a Lindhaus or something high end?    Just kidding Carmine.  That was a very thoughtful deed.  May you be blessed.

You know, I have to wonder that the problem Carmine experienced with his DC07 was a defect of his particular machine.  I've never owned one personally, but I've used several DC07s (including a Pink version), some on fairly thick plush carpet.  I never experienced any such problem with ANY of them.  One of them was a very early model DC07 that had seen quite a bit of use during its lifetime...still powered through the carpet and left very nice "marks" after I had gone over it. 

It seems that one bad experience gave Carmine an excuse to further stereotype (from a non sequitur assumption no less that all Dysons must be bad because of a less-than-positive experience with ONE machine out of MILLIONS produced) a machine and company he really didn't care for in the first place because of its worldwide success.  Not that he will, but I would bet that *if* Carmine gets a hold of another DC07 (with as many Dysons to be had "for cheap" out there as he says there are, it honestly shouldn't be a problem), however that may be, it will not have the ratcheting problem.  I would also bet that *if* he gets a different model such as the DC17, he will actually like it.  Maybe his family members can "gift" him one in exchange for all of those "wonderful" vacuums he has given them.

At any rate, since the DC07 and 14 are the only two current Dyson models still equipped with the clutch (anything else is equipped with two motors), to anyone looking for the "latest and greatest" in Dyson technology the "ratcheting" would be a non-issue.

-MH

P.S.  Hardsell I have to agree with you.  I too find it odd that a former vac shop owner who would theoretically "push" the independent-only brands now resorts to "recommending" (if you can even call it that) cheap, subpar big-box machines.