Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Some observations -

• Oreck is conspicuously missing from the upright ratings.
• Panasonic has a new AeroBlast for $700 is a apparently a poor copy of a Dyson that burps loudly when it reverses the air flow to clean the filter.   Why would anyone pay so much for a Dyson copy, particularly when the filter clogs with fine dust?
  
• Hoover's fall from grace is noted, presumably due to their ill conceived bagless vacuums.  Hoover now has the worst reliability of the uprights.  Dyson is second only to Kirby in the reliability rankings.   
  
• For uprights, Kenmore takes the top 2 spots (bagged and bagless), followed by the Riccar SupraLite RSL3, the Electrolux Oxygen EL5035A, and the Kirby Sentria.  
  
• The Halo is #33 on the list for uprights. 
  
• The $60 Hoover Tempo Widepath has a better tool airflow score than the Dyson DC17 as well as better carpet cleaning scores. 
  

I've seen the Elite Rewind before and pass it by every time without giving it a second look.  Here's the link to the Amazon page for the Elite Rewind.  Check out the user-submitted photos there.  I am amazed at how dusty this machine is after what appears to be the first or second use, not to mention the clear plastic turning cloudy fast.  I can't tell if it has become scratched from sand and dirt, or just the static attracting the residual dust.  At any rate it's not appealing and not something I would expect from a new machine.   Makes me want to sneeze.  It is worth noting that I've had my DC21 for nearly a year and the clear plastic has not become hazy like this.  No doubt a higher grade of plastic is used in the Dyson.

And while we're on the subject of plastics, look at that cheap "grainy" plastic used on the body of the Rewind! 

-MH

HARDSELL wrote:

My good man:

If the consensus is that dysons [in particular the DC07] were designed for European carpets not USA and given to 2 family members, why would you presume it is limited to just them?  It's senseless for me to list all the persons, family and friends by name and occurence, that my Daughter, Son-in-law, Wife and I have admonished about the DC07 pink on US rugs.  Not to mention my builder and rug contractor.  Universal carpet makers.  And RC Willey.

I caution you.  You are threading on delicate turf.  Pharmacists are a close knit breed.  You might find truth serum substituted for your viagra prescription.

Carmine D.

Motorhead wrote:

That's you and your reaction.  Typical for a die hard dyson worshipper. 

This dear newlywed couple, under 30 and wondering why they are suddenly paying $3.15 for gasoline and $2 for milk [the Wife is a pharmacist for COSTCO] love their HOOVER Elite Rewind.  They do the same as you when they see dysons.  Walk by quickly and say no way!    Can you blame them and most couples starting out now wanting to have children.  $500 plus for a vacuum?  That doesn't work properly?

Dysons are being discontinued at COSTCO stores [as you know] when the present inventory is sold out.  Which may take awhile.  All those new unsold dysons piled high on pallets sitting in COSTCO stores.    People don't even give them a second look [as you say].  Meanwhile the HOOVER Elite Rewind's fly off the shelf.   An $89 bagless upright with a headlight and cordwinder that's a more popular seller [and has been] than a $500 bagless dyson upright [without a headlight and cordwinder]. Go figure.  What's the vacuum industry coming to?

I see retailers offering the entire dyson line at 20 percent off plus Giftcards to boot.  DC17, 18, 21 and the one you like the least of all dysons the DC07 [yet call it dyson's signature vacuum?]. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Hello HS:

You are backward with this action.  Did you buy the DC07 or was it a gift?

Carmine D.

mole wrote:

Hello Mole:

Japanese consumers have been reluctant to spend amid sluggish economic growth, stagnant wages, and a faltering Tokyo stock market.  Japanese consumer sentiment fell in January to its lowest level in more than 4 years.  When the real estate market tanked in Japan in the late 80's and early 90's, the Tokyo stock market took a nose dive.  Almost in half in a short period of time.  It still has not gotten back to its old highs. 

In short, the Japanese will stop buying expensive items [like high priced vacuums].  Just as the Americans. Why?  The Japanese, like the Americans, are not willing to forgo savings now and in the future to spend, spend, spend AND presuming that appreciation of real estate/housing values will increase their net worth and wealth [over time for retirement].  It backfired for the Japanese years ago and now for the Americans.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I bet they also did no tlook at BMW, Lexus and Mercedes.  Just because people walk past goods they can't afford does not mean that they do notg desire them.  If you were the honest pro that you pretend to be you would say that Dyson did not work for you, however most who have purchased one rave about it's performance.  What does the fact that the Wife is a pharmicist have to do with vacuums? 

Our local COSTCO stores do not have those excessive Dyson invnetories.

The 20% off has always applied to all vacuums in the stores that I visit.

BTW,  while in WM yesterday I looked at vacuums.  The WM price cards on the Dysons reads:  NO LOSS OF SUCTION.

Also noticed that the new Hoovers have stickers on them claiming that they are better than some other brands.  Dyson is not one of those brands.

HARDSELL wrote:

Hey my man:

COSTCO's storehouses of dysons are empty now.  All dyons have been shipped to retail stores that have had the best success for dysons' selling.  Buyers can't order any dysons on-line.  No more.  They are just sold in a limited number of stores until the all the old stock is gone.  I'm expecting yard sales on these in the future.  Read spring/summer.  Of course, this action comes as a result of consumers putting the brakes on spending.  Why?  High gas prices and food prices are burning away buying power from consumers for discretionary goods like high priced vacuums.  Some like you are even selling their dysons for the money.

All retailers have dropped the dyson mantra : "Never clogs.  Never loses suction."  Some were quick to scrub the slogan [even before dyson made the official notice], others a little slower.  By now, all have.  Some have adopted the new dyson slogan: "Never loses suction."  Which is only half of the original dyson claim which launched dyson in the USA.   BTW, the half-truth is not exclusively used for dysons.  Retailers make the same claim with other vacuum brands/models now too.  It's a fad now to say it.  Which diminishes the impact for dyson.  Most retailers didn't go with the half-truth BECAUSE it forces them to answer consumer questions about: "What happened to the Never clogs? 

Professional working women and the young Utah couple, who are the donee of the HOOVER Elite Rewind, are a major part of the dyson target market of dyson vacuums.  Some say "the" dyson market.  Old people like me don't like dysons.  Young single people can't afford them.  As dyson loses the newlywed and youngish married couples, its US sales suffer.  And the US is still dyson's biggest vacuum market.  Or more properly, was. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I forgive you only because you are so stupid.  Why else does one sell something.  I understand why you have gifted all those vacuums.  Only one was worthy of selling (see my first statement if in doubt).

"Never clogs.  Never loses suction."  This would not be an issue with intelligent people (see my first statement again to understand why you have a problem with it).  Everyone else knows that when used properly a Dyson maintains suction far longer than any other brand.  Nothing is forever.  Even when abused the Dyson will maintain suction longer than any other under the same circumstances.

Suffering during financial stressd periods is not the same as your beloved Hoover that suffers from poor performance and quality. Those who are buying the lower priced, lower quality machines will upgrade when times get better.

HARDSELL wrote:

My good friend:

If only I were so [stupid], it would be much easier to have a meeting of the minds with you.  

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I sold my DC07 to a young couple.  I gave them a good deal on what I think is a very good vacuum and I have never felt guilty for selling something that I believe in.

You have mentioned several times that you have gifted many vacuums.  You go so far as to praise the performance of the vacuums that you have gifted.  There is one exception, the DC07.  You have bashed this vacuum at every opportunity.  You have told us that it will damage carpet to the extent that some carpet manuracturers will void their warranty if a Dyson is used.  Why would you gift the worst vacuum that you ever owned to your beloved daughter? 

Now that is backwards.