Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Some observations -

• Oreck is conspicuously missing from the upright ratings.
• Panasonic has a new AeroBlast for $700 is a apparently a poor copy of a Dyson that burps loudly when it reverses the air flow to clean the filter.   Why would anyone pay so much for a Dyson copy, particularly when the filter clogs with fine dust?
  
• Hoover's fall from grace is noted, presumably due to their ill conceived bagless vacuums.  Hoover now has the worst reliability of the uprights.  Dyson is second only to Kirby in the reliability rankings.   
  
• For uprights, Kenmore takes the top 2 spots (bagged and bagless), followed by the Riccar SupraLite RSL3, the Electrolux Oxygen EL5035A, and the Kirby Sentria.  
  
• The Halo is #33 on the list for uprights. 
  
• The $60 Hoover Tempo Widepath has a better tool airflow score than the Dyson DC17 as well as better carpet cleaning scores. 
  

HARDSELL wrote:

Hello My Good Friend:

Too many to name and since dyson gets all the attention here on most threads I like to use it as a comparison.  Especially when discussing less expensive and more affordable big box retailer vacuums that compete well against dyson.   One such brand to mention that has florished as a result of the launch of dyson is BISSELL.  As a bagged vacuum maker, it had a long history of very non-descript sales bested by Dirt Devil, Shark, and other budget brands.  And was even considered unworthy by comparison.  No more.

With the bagless fad and trend among budget conscious vacuum buyers [read big box retail customers] BISSELL has seen an upsurge in recent years in sales and user popularity.  Certainly a staple among all the big box retailers.  Why?  Price and performance.  BISSELL provides both which appeal to the vacuum buying consumers in the USA who shop the big box retailers for their floorcare needs.  BISSELL fares very well in the Consumer Reports ratings and rankings too.  At the expense of dyson, unfortunately which is your favorite brand of vacuum.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

So if your not in the vacuum business,like DIB,MOTORHEAD, why should anyone listen to you about the business,that you know nothing about.

Do you work for dysons marketing department? And if you do i feel bad for you...............

MOLE

HARDSELL wrote:

Hello Good Friend:

Thought you might like to read what consumers think about the HOOVER EmPower.  Many of the other retailers' reviews are very similar.  Pretty good for a $89 performer that's been around for as long as your beloved dyson.

http://www.epinions.com/pr-Hoover_U5262-900_Upright_Vacuum/display_~reviews

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:
Hardsell,

Could you elaborate on your comment that "CR has a tendency to place price above performance?"  I believe your comment is somewhat misleading.   I believe that CR is very careful to keep price out of the testing.  It is only in the commentary that CR mentions whether performance in their tests is in any way related to price. 

That said, there are limits to what is tested by CR.  They don't evaluate, for example, the quantity, quality, or usefulness of attachments.  They don't evaluate how easy/messy it is to empty the dirt container on bagless vacs.   They don't evaluate design features, with the exception of commenting on those that are absolutely terrible.  Eureka does not get any extra credit for the feather duster in its spin away vacuum.  Kirby doesn't get any credit for the shampooer and knife sharpening attachments.  Rainbow gets no credit for use as a mop, carpet cleaner, or air cleaner.   CR does not comment on the design of brush rolls.   CR does not comment on how nice the vacuum looks on display in your living room either.  CR does not test on every possible carpet type.

While you are correct that CR does not take into account every possible feature that might be important to individual users, the test results are valid and repeatable, and do not in any way take price into account. 

mole wrote:

I am in no way affiliated with the vacuum business.  I have no personal vendettas like the professionals that have have been so negatively affected by Dyson.  I am not biased because I have nothing to gain regardless of what happens in the industry.

All I can offer is honesty based on my experience with using various brands of vacuums.  One does not need to be a technical guru or repairman to know when something is performing.  If my clothes are not drying I know that something is wrong with my clothes dryer.  If my car stalls I know that something is wrong.

I know that a Corvette is faster than an Impala and yet I am not a car mechanic.

Your inability or refusal to answer my question certainly gives me reason not to believe you and others who have been asked the question.

mole wrote:

As a person who has both, Graphic Design/Marketing and Vacuum experience I disagree with you that you suggest Dyson has poor marketing. The visual design of their machines, packaging, sales material and advertising is some of the BEST in ANY company. I also feel it is THE primary reason it has done as well in the marketplace as it has.

HARDSELL wrote:

I will make one more effort to answer your question,there are not many indy's left,the reason being is that these owners have no  BACKGROUND in the business.

In other words the carrott was dangeled in front of them by the COMPANY they chose to represent. After 2 or 3 years they found out that they only made money for the company,and they were left holding the bag[no pun].It seems like these companies get off by ruining people.

YOU CAN TAKE THAT AS THE TRUTH....

been there done that.NOW it's my turn..............

MOLE

Lucky1 wrote:

Have you seen the latest dyson TV commercial?  I suspect it

aired here in LAs Vegas due to the VDTA.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

Well my good friend, if you believe that you are not biased

and have nothing to gain, I will say you are as wrong as you can be.

You bought the worse performing and rated dyson [DC07] at full price

with a 2 year warranty.  I'm sure you heard the old adage in the auto

industry that one should never buy a vehicle in the first year.  Why?

Takes time to work out the kinks and glitches.  Most here even dyson

fans kow tow the DC07 as the worse.  And the model is being discontinued.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

You do not know the whole story.  I sold the DC07 after 3 years (big mistake).  I presently own the Royal and a Kirby Sentria.   The DC07 is still the best in my humble opinion.

I tried a DC14 and the 07 is defininitely a better vacuum.   I doubt the DC07 is being discontinued because of poor performance.  Just like in the auto industry, change is inevitable even if not for the better.

Now where is the bias or gain.  You had a bad experience with Dyson and I with other brands.  Please tell me why your problem is worse than mine or anyone else's.

Oh, I almost forgot.  Dyson put you and so many others down.