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Oreck/ XL 21
Original Message   Jan 19, 2008 9:54 am
How can Mr Oreck,offer a 21 year warranty ,this must be one hell of a product

MOLE

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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #68   Jan 31, 2008 2:15 pm
Lucky1 wrote:
For this purpose I think the Oreck, Simplicy Freedom or the Roomba fills a nice area of the segment. 


Of these three I would have to say I'd buy the Freedom. The roomba although getting better is still a toy. If your thinking about the base Oreck vs the Freedom 3600... The freedom has a Bigger Fan, has 2 Speeds vs 1 on the Oreck, a shorter and stiffer brush roll vs a softer, thicker bristle (which sometimes is hard to push on a thick carpet and doesn't dig as deep), Freedom has 6 wheels, availability of very high quality cloth bags (not sure if you can get them at Oreck for the XL(maybe) and it is actually lighter (slightly).

Excellent lightweight vacuums.  Consumer Reports consistently rates the RICCAR SupraLite [and the Simplicity Freedom series] above Orecks.  In the latest rankings and ratings, they garner an 8 overall while Oreck manages an 11.  Prices for the RICCAR and Simplicity are comparable to the Oreck XL Deluxe models at $300-$400.  But of course, the Oreck price includes the giveaways.

A similar lightweight upright as the RICCAR is badged as a HOOVER Ultra Lightweight.  And HOOVER recently, under the tutalege of TTI, brought a new lightweight upright to market similar to all the above for about $200.  These HOOVER uprights are sold through the big box retailers. 

Carmine D.

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CarmineD


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Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #69   Jan 31, 2008 4:00 pm
Motorhead wrote:
On a more serious note, in regards to Just's post about a secondary machine,

Very telling introductory remark, which followed your "let's all make up and be nice again" on this thread. 

I infer that the 'hijacking' [your word, not mine] of this thread and the ensuing Oreck bashing are not serious matters in your view.  Just another fun time had by all on the Forum for you and the dysoners.  Until you are challenged.  Since you now announced the desist and retreat, you are ready to put out the word that its time now to get serious.  And back to the business of this Forum.  Thank you for your permission.  

Carmine D.

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Moderator Mike_W


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Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #70   Jan 31, 2008 4:17 pm
It is really time to let this thing go.  It does not mean that it will go away.  It will come back again, I am sure.  Everyone has said their peace about the subject.

Mike W.(Moderator)
CarmineD


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Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #71   Jan 31, 2008 4:49 pm
Mike_W wrote:
It is really time to let this thing go.  It does not mean that it will go away.  It will come back again, I am sure.  Everyone has said their peace about the subject.

Mike W.(Moderator)



If the past is any prediction of the future, you can count on it.  And I'm ready to rumble.

Carmine D.

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DC18


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Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #72   Feb 1, 2008 6:18 pm
Yes this link is just about the Oreck XL21 but as there was a link posted on this thread to Oreck website where Oreck was comparing it to Dyson that is why the subject has digressed!  All I can say it answered one question for me.  Oreck can not replace or do as good a job of a full size vacuum even though Oreck says it can on his website a few of you have proved and mentioned it 's  used as a second cleaner and a full size vacuum is used for deeper vacuuming!  I'd rather do a proper job to start of with!

DC18

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DC18


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Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #73   Feb 1, 2008 6:24 pm
Thanks Just for your comments/observations.

DC18

CarmineD


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Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #74   Feb 2, 2008 7:26 am
DC18 wrote:
Yes this link is just about the Oreck XL21 but as there was a link posted on this thread to Oreck website where Oreck was comparing it to Dyson that is why the subject has digressed!  All I can say it answered one question for me.  Oreck can not replace or do as good a job of a full size vacuum even though Oreck says it can on his website a few of you have proved and mentioned it 's  used as a second cleaner and a full size vacuum is used for deeper vacuuming!  I'd rather do a proper job to start of with!

DC18



Well smartee, add this to my observations and comments.

As I said, I use the Oreck daily for vacuuming and complement with a full size like the HOOVER WT weekly and as needed.

This week I changed up.  I noted the HOOVER's full bag indicator was beginning to edge off it's mark.  Not that it is full.  Probably half.  I don't wait until it fully engages and the bag is full.  In part because of my dear Wife's allergy and sinus issues.

So, this week I've been vacuuming with the HOOVER.  Any full size would do.  In part, because I want to change the bag this week [tomorrow].

Well, after a week of doing so [vacuuming with the full size], this morning I threw my back out feeding the dog.  Bending over as I do all the time.  Old Army injury.  But aggravated over the years with age and neglect and abuse. It will take about 14 days to get back to normal with a routine of 3 kinds of medications [all prescription] daily with different dosages starting on full to final weaning off as pain subsides.  Of course the medications have other physical side effects which I've learned to deal with.

No doubt the reason is using the HOOVER this week and not the Oreck.  And my dear Wife will tell me so, as she's done in the past.  Let me also add, that the HOOVER WT has the embedded dirt finder lights.  And without fail, whenever I change from Oreck to HOOVER, and vacuum over the areas I used the Oreck, the HOOVER indicator stays green.  NO dirt.  Not with the dyson DC07 Pink.  Use the dyson, vacuum over with the HOOVER and red light stays on for a few passes [picking up] , then goes green.

My sense is there are about 80 million or more Americans like me [read old with physical limitations] in the US.  Perfect candidates for Oreck and lightweight vacuums.  Not to mention all the hotel and motel staff who would eventually develop similar back problems problems as mine if they lugged dysons and full sized vacuums around for daily cleaning for years.  No doubt the reason, in part, jaydee added the DC18 for which you took your name here and a bunch of new baby dysons.  Maybe he's looking to tap into Oreck's lock on the hotel and motel rug cleaning in the US?  NEVER HAPPEN. 

LIke your other dyson buddies here and on other vacuum Forums you too look for excuses and others to blame to promote your pro dyson drivel whenever you can.  Own up and continue to post your dyson pics which is what you are good at.  You and your dyson clan want to continue bashing Oreck here, I'm ready to take you on and defend it.  Let's get it on.  

Mike if you want to lock this thread, censor me, edit and/or whatever else you do as Moderator when the dysoners get out of control, do it.  That's what the dysoners want isn't it?  And you oblige and fall right into their hands.

Carmine D.

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DC18


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Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #75   Feb 2, 2008 7:58 am
I'm not 'bashing' Oreck just making observations and general comments from comments and links put on this and any other thread on here.

I'm not getting into an argument or debate as there is no need too.   I don't use excuses or lay blame on other products to make Dyson look good.  I just make inpartical observations and comments like everyone else on here.

DC18

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CarmineD


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Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #76   Feb 2, 2008 8:21 am
With a name like DC18, it's clear to me based on your posts that you are here for ONE reason and one reason only:  To promote dyson and everything with its name.  Just like dysoners have done on all other vacuum forums, only in the past they used their names.  That's my impartial opinion.  Based on your posts and pics. 

Didn't one of you dysoners post early on in this Page words to effect: "Let's keep the dyson threads on top of the page so keep posting!"  If that's not promoting, what then?  Impartial opinions and comments?  "Playing" as Mike likes to call it.  Sell it to Mike and jaydee, not me.  I'm not buying it. 

That's fine. Different strokes for different strokes.  Do it on the dyson boards and on the dyson threads.  So people like me and others who want to skip over the same old dyson drivel you post can read about the vacuums of our choice and interest.  Not yours and dysoners. 

Thank you for the opportunity to clarify for you and all your dyson fans my impartial and objective opinion based on the comments and narrative expressed herein.  I sincerely appreciate it.

Carmine D.

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DC18


Dyson, Sebo and Bissell user

Joined: Jul 25, 2007
Points: 294

Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #77   Feb 2, 2008 8:56 am
I read all the threads on here with general interest.  If I was just a pure Dyson Fan why did I post a new thread about Vax UK launching the Mach series of vacs (same as the Hoover US ones).  I wouldn't have bothered doing so if that was the case.  I have an interest in Vax as well since we had one of there first UK  3 in 1 machines.  I also have an interest in the Sebo Felix (UK) but I prefer to use Dyson like yourself prefers the Oreck and Hoover.  Same as I prefer Bissell carpet cleaning machines over the Vax ones but I still look with interest as to what all the vacuum cleaners manufactors are doing!

DC18

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