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Oreck/ XL 21
Original Message   Jan 19, 2008 9:54 am
How can Mr Oreck,offer a 21 year warranty ,this must be one hell of a product

MOLE

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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #43   Jan 29, 2008 8:42 pm
DC18 wrote:
Hi Motorhead

  If the Oreck technology is so great then as I've said already the product will sell itself there is no need to make comprision to a specific machine which really is not a like for like model/setup!!

I take it MH you don't like the mini Oreck canister then!?

DC18


If longevity is one indication of greatness[ read success], then 45 plus years of Oreck sales in the USA with over 450 Oreck Clean Home Centers and even more independent authorized Oreck sales and service dealers must count for something more than just product bashing.

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #44   Jan 29, 2008 8:49 pm
DC18 wrote:
DC06 as it was known, Dyson robotic vacuum has never made it to the market.  They are still working on this technology I believe. 

DC18



With 500 engineers and 20 plus years of dyson vacuum history, dyson can't rush these robotic products to market. 

Might I dare suggest that if dyson focused on vacuums rather than a plethora of unrelated ill-fated mediocre products that compete for its time and resources, dyson would have had a robotic vacuum to the market by now.  Or... is that conclusion and statement of fact considered 'bashing" by dyson? 

Carmine D.

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DC18


Dyson, Sebo and Bissell user

Joined: Jul 25, 2007
Points: 294

Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #45   Jan 29, 2008 8:50 pm
I don't need to be 'sucked' (excuse the pun!) into these consumer reports be it US or UK or world wide.  I'm not a 'sheep' that follows everyone else and reads these reports and like alot of people take it as it reads.  I make my own mind up about things by actually using the product, and word of mouth.  These so called consumer tests as far as I'm concerned are not carried out in the so called 'real' world.  People should make up their own minds by testing it for themselves!

I've used a DC18 in the UK and there is nothing wrong with it's performance and that goes for the DC15 too!  More is not always best was it not said on here!  As the Oreck has a 457 watt motor everyone seems to think that the performance of this machine is great!!!!

DC18

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #46   Jan 29, 2008 8:55 pm
DC18 wrote:
I don't need to be 'sucked' (excuse the pun!) into these consumer reports be it US or UK or world wide.  I'm not a 'sheep' that follows everyone else and reads these reports and like alot of people take it as it reads.  I make my own mind up about things by actually using the product, and word of mouth.  These so called consumer tests as far as I'm concerned are not carried out in the so called 'real' world.  People should make up their own minds by testing it for themselves!

I've used a DC18 in the UK and there is nothing wrong with it's performance and that goes for the DC15 too!  More is not always best was it not said on here!  As the Oreck has a 457 watt motor everyone seems to think that the performance of this machine is great!!!!

DC18


As you said, I bought the Oreck and use it daily.  I made up my mind for myself.  I like it, use it, recommend it and will continue to do so.  And it just so happens, that Consumer Reports does too.  At least more so than most all the dysons.  45 plus years of sales history is a huge selling point for consumer satisfaction too.  Wouldn't you say?  Especially in commercial use by hotels and motels. 

Carmine D.

DC18


Dyson, Sebo and Bissell user

Joined: Jul 25, 2007
Points: 294

Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #47   Jan 29, 2008 8:55 pm
I think your forgetting Dyson invents new technology not repackaging old technology and is constantly working on new technology where it comes to anything is a different matter. That is what makes Dyson different.  Also people think that all 500 Engineers are working on just vacuums and in particular one vacuum. These Engineers are working on serveral projects and I would have thought not just vacuum cleaners either! 

DC18

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #48   Jan 29, 2008 9:02 pm
DC18 wrote:
all 500 Engineers are working on just vacuums and in particular one vacuum. These Engineers are working on serveral projects and I would have thought not just vacuum cleaners either! 

DC18



That's my point.  Scatter your time, money, effort and resources for years in too many different unrelated products and what do you get?  Mediocre and unsuccessful product results.  And not one signature product in any.   

Oreck on the other hand focused its time and attention on one product: Lightweight Vacuums.  And has been extremely successful.  And branched out into other venues.  Including a decent air purifier.  Simply amazing!

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #49   Jan 29, 2008 9:08 pm
DC18 wrote:
So if Dyson wouldn't fare very well in comparison with Oreck why does Oreck think different!  Surely it a 2 way thing!  Dyson doesn't purely because it is 'different', nothing is the same as Dyson!

DC18



Oreck believes that it has a better vacuum than dyson and wants others to know why.  If you believe in your product and are willing to match it up against the competition head to head, why not?  What's wrong with doing so if you are honest and accurate in your methods and means?  Let consumers decide for themselves what is the best vacuum for them based on all the facts. 

Carmine D.

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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #50   Jan 30, 2008 8:40 am
DC18 wrote:

Where as the Roomba to me doesn't seem that powerful!  It looks like it would only pickup surface dirt and not do a deep clean!

DC18


Just like the daily usage of an Oreck, if you use the irobot daily to vacuum up the surface dirt, then  it doesn't become imbedded.  And adding a weekly/biweekly thorough vacuuming from a full size upright/tank/cann to the daily usage of an irobot/Oreck complements household cleaning, vacuuming and grooming.  With less effort, energy and time.

Carmine D.

This message was modified Jan 30, 2008 by CarmineD
Just


Joined: Nov 28, 2007
Points: 172

Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #51   Jan 30, 2008 10:33 am
DC18 wrote:
That link to Oreck is very 'laughable'!!  Why?

 3: Why the need for a light! No one vacs in the dark (put the room light on! waste of electric and energy regardless of how light it takes!) and if your going under furniture (I believe someone made a comment on here) you would not vacuum blind under beds etc...

 10: Diry Capacity - Why would you want old dirt sitting around in your vaccum for weeks or even months!  Vacuum up and get it out of the house!

11: Environment/Green Issues - With no parts to replace (ie Bags, belts, filters) the Dyson is more greener than the Oreck!  In a world where we are told to be greener then the Oreck is not that green!

 No vacuum cleaner is perfect, each to their own and also down to users preferred choice!  Oreck should be comparing there vacuum to other simular lighter models, ones with a bag.   DC18



DC

I have no intentions of getting into a Dyson v __________ debate, but I would like to make a few points on my own as a simple end user.  Not a vacuum professional, not a collector, just a plain old joe that pushes a vac on a regular basis.

Your last sentence I will most agree with.  To compare a full size vac to a compact is like comparing a big SUV to a Pinto.  What I think Dave Oreck is trying to do is to let the public know is that the Oreck is a viable alternative to larger vacuums, especially for people who have limited physical abilities.  Though I question this in practice, I also know that there are many who would at give the rug a whack with a Oreck daily or weekly, whereas they would hesitate to drag out a Rainbow, Kirby, Dyson, or other heavy machine on a less frequent basis--thus it is a viable alternative.  I think it comes down to practicallity.  Something that will be used on a regular basis is more effective than something that is rarely used. 

With that said I would like to respond, again as just a user to some of your other points.

3.  Why a need for a light?  For those of us with limited or diminishing eyesight the headlight helps us see items that we would otherwise miss.  The light on the vac which is closer to the work area will illuminate a pin or needle, paper clip or penny faster than room light alone especially if there is little contrast between the item and the carpet being cleaned.  I like the headlight feature. Then again I have always had one, and this is what I am used to which is true of many American's.

9.  Energy Usage--As an end user I really don't care.  I just want to pull the darn thing out of it's hiding place, and I expect it to do the job I bought it for.  I never look at the watts it consumes unless it's a light bulb.  In the end I feel it is rather insignificant.  To further that point, I don't know how much electricity my range, or microwave uses. they just have to get the job done.

10.  Dirt storage.  The purpose of the vacuum is to get the dirt out of your house, however, I don't want to have to see it everytime I vacuum.  I would rather take a nice tidy bag and usher it out of my home for good.    I have a Kirby Omega that you can dump the emptor on a newspaper when I feel the need to see the dog hair.  (Again this is preference).

11.  Environmental issues?  Ok I don't buy this one in any form.  Bags are usually paper, which is biodegradeable, dirt in the bag is after all dirt.  I don't see a big impact personally.  Belts--Never have to be replaced? don't buy it.  All parts will wear.  To be correctly advertised I believe it should say "No user replaceable parts" but we all know they have to be replaced sometime.

I will add a couple of mine why I choose a USA built machine.

1.  It's built by someone that can actually afford to own it in the end, not some poor child that doesn't even have electricity in their home, and would have no use for the machine even if they had a disposable income because their home has a dirt floor.  ( I guess this is a fall back to Henry Ford and the Model T, but the worker who builds a machine should be able to own one.   (This excludeds Mercedes and Rolls, these are pretty low volume anyway, and not U.S. made.)

2.  Local service--When something does go wrong, and lets admit that anything made by man will eventually break.  I can take my vac to a local shop, in most cases have a nice chat while it is being repaired and then take it back home.  I don't have to pack it up in a box, send it to a "service center" and wait 12 weeks for them to tell me they aren't   going to fix my piece of plastic and I will have to drop bill or so to get it back.

Let me again stress that I am  responding to your post because you had some very valid points not because I disagree with you. I just want to expand on what the think is from a mere consumer's point of view.

This message was modified Jan 30, 2008 by Just
Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: Oreck/ XL 21
Reply #52   Jan 30, 2008 12:24 pm
Just,

As one consumer to another, I thank you.

Venson

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