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How can Mr Oreck,offer a 21 year warranty ,this must be one hell of a product

MOLE

Hello again,Nanook of the north.All said and done ORECK is one first class company They walk the walk and talk the talk,and have been for over 40 years.They DOMINATE the motel and hotel business,along with SANITAIRE.The XL21,is 9 pounds,it's build quality is right up there,the machine just flat out does what they say it does.

And we sell a ton of them.

The back up service is second to none......Many other vacuum manufactures can take a lesson from them.........

MOLE

I had always overlooked the Oreck because I had heard it wasn't a real contender as a vacuum.  My uncle asked me about an Oreck about three years ago, and I told him, "The Whats the best vacuum board said they are little more than an electric carpet sweeper."  They   had a central system installed instead and are quite happy with their choice. 

But If I have experts like Mole and Carmine D.  endorsing the Oreck, I will take look at them for myself.   

Just wrote:

Hello Just:

My friend Mole likes to say a "hokie on a stick" facetiously, of course.

I know families who were die hard users of Electrolux, Kirby, and other vacuum brands for years.  As the matriarch and patriarch in the family aged and could no longer vacuum with the full sized vacuums of their younger years, they switched over to the Oreck and were very pleased. 

My caveats are with the price and usage.  Orecks are usually sold at Estate sales for $25-$50 and well worth those prices.  Many Oreck users vacuum the open traffic areas daily and then trade off once a week and/or 2 or more times a month with a larger full sized vacuum for a thorough household cleaning  That's what I do.  The others are a HOOVER WT Supreme and canister.  The WT grooms much better than the Oreck, but the Oreck is a competitive second.  I have medium pile loop Mohawk wool carpets and ceramic tile floors with area rugs.  Oreck is ideal for cleaning both rug and floors daily with no need to shut off the brush roll and/or adjust height.  Oreck is effortless from one floor covering to another.   And my dear Wife will take out the Oreck and vacuum before she would ever use the HOOVER WT.

One more note.  I purchased the XL Classic new through a special offer with the US Humane Society and paid $150.  No other amenities and give-aways.  And a one year guarantee.  I bought two more and gifted them to family members including my daughter who is expecting her third child.  Her house is over 3000 square feet and she is using the Oreck on the main level until I install a central vacuum unit.

Plus, Oreck has Clean Home Centers around the country.  Most sell parts and service all vacuum brands, not just Orecks.  Parts and repairs are quick and easy.  If you go into one and ask about repairs, most will tell you that 80 percent of the weekly repair work are non-Oreck vacuums. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

This is why I stated I would look for myself.  I am not as young as I used to be.  Besides, as much as I do love my Kirby,  I am just too darn old to drag a baby elephant up and down the stairs everyday anymore.  I currently am using a Eureka Boss 402B light weight as my tidy up machine and my Kirby as my main workhorse.  The Eureka besides being a screamer with a short cord, has this tiny little filter in a cup that plugs after about three seconds of cleaning.  I would like an Oreck or Simplicity light weight for my quick jobs. 

The house I bought is an older home  with glued down carpet in the kitchen and basement.  Besides a very thick plush in the living room, dining room, hall.  Berber in the other rooms.  Two carpeted staircases wouldn't have been a problem with my Kirby before my car wreck four years ago,  but now my back won't take it too often.  Thus the highest traffic area of the home is only throughly cleaned about once a week. 

OH--BTW, If I ever catch you endorsing a Dyson.  I will start looking around for UFO's and those bodysnatchers from the Sci-Fi movies.  Because I know they've got you.

Just wrote:

Just:

If you decide to buy a new Oreck, and you have an Oreck Clean Home Center near by, by all means shop there and see what kind of a deal they offer you.  I would not be surprised if they match the Oreck-USHS price on an XL Classic if you foregoe the extras and are content with a year guaranty.  And/or offer a rebuilt Oreck to you at a decent price.

You will enjoy the store venue if you've never been in one.  Oreck does a terrific job in showing the colors proudly.  Very professional.  Nice atmosphere.  And your timing may coincide with a customer's match off of an Oreck and dyson in a cleaning contest. 

Carmine D.

Hi Just, when father time catches up to you then you will understand why oreck sells so good.Sure they need belts and bag changes ,brush roll changes every once in a while,the parts are cheap it can be done by almost anyone,even HARDSELL,

The best comment i ever heard from an oreck customer is that she didn't have to take a nap after cleaning her carpets.

MOLE

mole wrote:

I love it!  That says it all.  If people equate vacuuming to hard work, they won't do it.  Instead putting it off until they absolutely can't anymore.  With an Oreck you're not tired after the deed is done.  You do the traffic areas, the floors, the throws, and then zip under the furniture and beds too.  You wrap up the cord, and don't have to break your back to do it.  Then you tuck it away behind a chair/lamp until the next day.  Change the belt every 6 months, it takes 30 seconds.  And there's a storage well on the soleplate for a spare.  Change the bag every 2-3 months [maybe longer].  Takes a minute.  Store extra bags in the outer bag pocket.  Dispose the full bag in the kitchen trash.  No daily/frequent dust and dirt bin dumping.  People equate the latter with hard work.  And consequently they don't do it!  Throw in filter maintenance and weight of bagless vacuums and you have a huge headache.  In addition to a backache. 

Carmine D.

Just wrote:

Hi Just:

I didn't notice this in my earlier reading and it gave me a good laugh.

I've made several personal and professional suggestions for improving dysons on a number of vacuum Forums.  I was probably the first observer to note and comment on the flimsy brush roll [bar] on the DC07.  And warn buyers and users that it was not an industry standard brush roll.  This was in April 2002.  I also criticized the u bend airway saying that customers typically step on it confusing it for the handle release also in April 2002.  And criticized the DC07 for not having a headlight.  The u bend joints would be found laying around the dyson vacuums unattached.  Why?  The store staff did not know how to attach and the dyson manual didn't specifically illustrate.  A BEST BUY employee and supervisor tried for 20 minutes when they demoed the DC07 to me.  Of course without the u bend air way, it has no attachment suction.  I finally showed them.  These faults have been corrected [save the headlight].  I could go on, but I'll spare the readers the redundancy.

One of the reasons I laugh, is because there have been recent UFO sightings over Las Vegas on 2 different occasions.  Both seen by dear Wife and several of our neighbors.  To my knowledge, they got no news coverage locally/nationally.   Not like the recent fire at the Monte Carlo Hotel/Casino.  After the first sighting, I kidded my Wife and others about it.  Citing the Twilight Zone.  After the second, I didn't.  Wait until I tell her that she was right and jaydee is sending his cadre of cronies to kidnap me.  She'll love it!  Some thought that was the reason for my absence from this site.  No such luck by jaydee. 

My sense is dyson will do one of 2 things in the future: One: Sell the dyson rights off to the highest bidder which he tried to do before in better economic times.  And/or resign himself and his products to a "niche" market in the USA.  If the former, the dyson products will result in a niche base of faithful clientele.  Most of whom, post on the vacuum Forums and will buy anything with the dyson name and pay whatever it costs.   

if I were still in the business I would stock and sell dysons [if customers absolutely insisted on buying].  And I would wholesale them by just covering my costs of sale.  As an accomodation for my customers and to have the dyson repair and parts business which should get lucrative soon.

Carmine D.

I copied this from a link on this site for dysons.  Well done.  Doesn't appear to be bashing.  A neutral fact based comparison.

http://www.oreck.com/upright-vacuum-cleaners/oreckxlultra_vs_bagless.cfm?keycode=DL816

Carmine D.

That link to Oreck is very 'laughable'!!  Why?

1: Carpet to bare floor - Dyson vacs head adjusts automatically from carpet to bare floor (you can turn off the brush bar if required as to not mark your hard floor)

2: No brush bar turn off on the Oreck!  What if I need to turn it off - no function to do this!

3: Why the need for a light! No one vacs in the dark (put the room light on! waste of electric and energy regardless of how light it takes!) and if your going under furniture (I believe someone made a comment on here) you would not vacuum blind under beds etc...

4: Hard platic shell (Dyson) - yes to with stand knocks etc...

5: Handle - well the Oreck handle is not much different form the Dyson!

6: Filters - Yes washable and reuseable and reuseable bin very green - Oreck no filters yes may be but a paper bag (clogged one at that!) - not very green on the environment!

7: Edge brushes - the DC07\DC14 (which is in the picture on the web link DC14 that is) has edge brushes which Dyson places on the edge/corners and you can just see them on that web link picture if you look closely!!

8: Odor Conrol - well the Oreck would need that due to it having a bag, Dyson doesn't need odor control dirt is spun out of the air flow!

9:  Energy Use - yes the oreck has a lower watt motor but when you compare a Dyson to other vacs you will also find the Dyson motor wattage is lower than others (all Dyson vacs are under 1400 watt apart from the DDM which I believe is 1600 watts!)

10: Diry Capacity - Why would you want old dirt sitting around in your vaccum for weeks or even months!  Vacuum up and get it out of the house!

11: Environment/Green Issues - With no parts to replace (ie Bags, belts, filters) the Dyson is more greener than the Oreck!  In a world where we are told to be greener then the Oreck is not that green!

12: Where Oreck states 'Just the facts', they fail to mention there is no tools on the machine you have to take out of the cupboard their little canister. By the time you have done this and wasted time doing so the 'quick' draw wand on the Dyson can be pulled out to do your above floor and attachment cleaning!

No vacuum cleaner is perfect, each to their own and also down to users preferred choice!  Oreck should be comparing there vacuum to other simular lighter models, ones with a bag.  The DC14 is a full size vac plus they need to do there home work a little better as well!  I think other vacuum company pick Dyson becuase of it unique technology, if the Bag is so great they don't need to compare it to Dyson.  They should look at there own technology and the product should sell on it merits!

DC18