Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

How can Mr Oreck,offer a 21 year warranty ,this must be one hell of a product

MOLE

DC18 wrote:

Good point.  That's the reason vacuum makers use furniture guards [read bumpers] on their products.

BTW, I understand COSTCO marked down their exclusive dyson DC14 Complete from $469 to $399.  I wonder if they are discontinuing its sale.  Based on the comments about the DC14 from dyson admirers on this thread, I can understand if they are.

Carmine D.

DC18 wrote:

I do too, but not daily.  I don't have the time and energy.  It's hard work.  Maybe weekly/monthly.  For daily vacuuming of dust and dog hair under the beds and furniture, Oreck is simply amazing.  Quick and easy.  Almost effortless.  Although, I see iRobot has a new 5th Generation robotic model 555 for $279.  I might give that a try.  What ever happened to the dyson robot?  Did it ever make it to market?

Carmine D. 

DC18 wrote:

Dyson compares its own products on its web site.  Why? To allow consumers to see the differences in the features and specifications quickly and easilty in order to make an intelligent purchase.  Have you used that feature on the dyson web site?  I have.  It is a very effective tool.  Retailers do it all the time for products too.  I wonder if they view this technique as 'bashing?"

Carmine D.

 

Hi,

Might I humbly submit that Oreck, though not a favorite of mine, does not require a lot of power as did a hundred other excellent vacuums that cleaned well in past days and if employed would clean well now.  Our revered Hoovers of yore used motors that drew as little as 200 watts or so. Why?  Because of design!  However, it appears that the hint of power works as well on appliance buyers as it does on folks out looking for new cars.

Oreck's little fan is literally right down there on the on the floor with the brushroll and the air path to it is short and sweet.  You don't need 1200 watts for it to work well since its admittedly minimal suction is concentrated.  Matter of fact, if it produced higher suction it might well prove hard to push due to its relatively simple form.  As well, the brushroll is designed to offer action aplenty on rugs -- another essential.  That's same idea worked in stick vacs fitted with power nozzles by Bissell, Regina and Hoover back in the 70s.

However, when you make a simple scenario more complex you have to do other things to compensate for what you begin to lose simply because you have made things less simple.  When you're out to wow the world with cyclones and magically dispearing hoses, the first course of action would of course be to chuck a high-powered motor into the deal to make up for all the air leakage possibilities along the extended path between the floor and the fan that may well minimize suction delivery and to also use "power" to compensate for design flaws in brushrolls, etc.  What was European Electroux out to do with the Intensity vacuum it introduced a year or so ago?  No big innovation, just a little machine, big motor, short uncomplicated air path. What you get is a lot of concentrated suction.  Throw in a revolving brush and everbody goes, "Oh my!"

Not meaning to digress but here's an instance regarding power.  Despite the nuisance, old-fashioned friction fit wands used to be how do think we manage with the cheap common button lock vacuum wands and numerous swivel joints many brands have now were it not for motors with pull.  Very few companies save FQ, Hoover and GE, worked at solving the problem.  What's the problem?

Suction delivery.  There's a tremendous amount of possibility that begins at a vacuum's fan, especially a high-powered vacuum's fan, that gets lost, a little here, a little there, because of unnoticed design flaws, minute breaks in seals and friction (a reason you can't put a hose over 12 feet or so on the average household canister).  Like decible ratings, this is another area where manufactures usually do not dare to tread.  In the write-up you read that vacuum "X" has a 1200 watt motor.  What you don't know and I don't think the manufacturer knows either is, percentage-wise, how much benefit of that does the user get.  This is not in particular an endictment against Dyson or any other brand but it should be remembered that more is not always better and that you can do a heck of a lot with a little sometimes.  Oreck -- little bitty fan, short airpath and big old bag -- proves that.

Venson

I'm not sure if the DC14 will be discontinued! Maybe the Lighter DC25 may replace this model!  The DC14 is very popular in the UK as was the DC07 before hand.  There has been some 'serious' marking down of DC14 prices on the high street in the UK but that is probably post Christmas and January sales!  I don't see the DC14 going too soon well not in the UK unless like I say the DC25 is to replace it!  Now the US has 2 versions of the DC17 they may phase out the DC14 in the US or scale down the DC14 range that just my guess.

DC18

DC06 as it was known, Dyson robotic vacuum has never made it to the market.  They are still working on this technology I believe.  I remember the UK website had details on the DC06 and it came with a hose so you could vacuum the stairs so it like replaced the need to have a 'normal' vacuum.  It also had an SR brushless motor too.   I think one thing they have noticed is the need for longer battery power not only to power the robotics and the vacuum around but to still give the same pickup performance as its  'full' size machines.   So the batteries would need to power the motor too.  Thus adding more weight.  I'm sure they will come out with something at some point.  One thing you have to learn about Dyson is they never rush any product to the market!

Where as the Roomba to me doesn't seem that powerful!  It looks like it would only pickup surface dirt and not do a deep clean!

DC18

Yes I have used the comparsion on the Dyson UK Web.  Very useful so you get the right machine.  Yes Dyson does compare it own model against each other which is fine!  The new DC24 is one example 'concentrated technology', same pickup as a full size Dyson!  You don't see Dyson using Oreck on it's website to make its own products look better.  They don't need to do this!  There product stands on it's own merits! They do use general comments like 'other vacuums' etc.. they don't use a particular brand!

DC18

True about the suction more is not always better!  Dyson (and probably Oreck too?) has not really increased the wattage of it's motors over the years.  The highest they do in the UK is a 1400 watt where as other UK brands are now excessing 2000 watts and more!  The Dyson still offers great suction/performance still only using a 1400/1200 watt motor where as other makes are having to up the wattage thinking they are getting and giving better performance!

DC18

DC18 wrote:

Dyson had to learn that lesson in the USA and the DC11 was how it did.

To a lesser extent, dyson learned a lesson with the DC15 too which had an original retail of $600 and when it didn't sell, dyson dropped the price by $100.  And just after 5 months on the market in the USA.

Carmine D.

DC18 wrote:

Perhaps dyson would not fare very well in comparisons with Oreck and/or other vacuum brands.  I doubt that a man and company who sued other competitors several times for patent imfringement and advertising claims and reaped huge settlements in the process would not compare itself to other brands if it thought it would legitimately win and/or gain more sales by doing so.  Do you?

Carmine D.