Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

Hi

I was wondering how or where I could look up the correct engine speed for the governer on a Tecumseh 10 hp snow blower engine.  It is an older Lawnboy ST1032 model (1980's).  I bought it second hand  a number of years ago and it has always had a tendency to rev higher than other snowblower engines that I see.  It really screams like a devil when opened out (but it is still in one piece after over 15 years with me). 

Thanks

Brian

Hey Richie  when I was reading the other techumpseh hp thread, I noticed the discussion on the jetting issue being the only difference, and the other poster saying you can not get three hp on that size engine.  Both of you can be completely right.  Here's how when he said you cannot get that type of increase in this size motor he is 100 percent correct, assuming  you are running the motor at it's optimum horsepower in the firstplace.  And I think that was the example he was referring to .  racing engines on a dyno where they were trying to get more with jet adjustments  etc.  In that area it is hard to get more horsepower.  However if you have a certain power motor like thatand somebody did a mod to the carb you can decrease horsepower with no problem and as much as you want.  So if you start with a 400 horse engine , throw a carb on that reduces it to 200 then you have a lot of potentialto do high percentage increases in it like I opened up the jets and got 50 more HP..  so what I am saying is the Tech engineers may have been telling you the truth when you were quizzing them on a 8 and a 9 hp engine.  Why  Because it is really a potential 13 hp engine  , you are not starting with an 8 and working your way up. 

Marketing B S  AWays to get more money out of your pocket for doing nothing,  And also big time to help  the EPA  gain controll and justify their existance 

Ben07 

   Guys,

If you want a chart on the Torque and HP on a HMSK100 snow King engine.

Go to:  "Tulsa Engine warehouse", they have it on that engine.

Hope this helps!!

                                                                       Fred  

I'll take OHV everytime over an L-Head, where available. My Kohlers have all kinds of torque and are extremely effecient engines. They seldom even lug but when they do they will lug through anything I have found. I have never had a stall. The best engines I know of are Honda's GX OHV, from 2.5HP to 24HP. They are used commercially and used in anything from pumps to generators and from snowblowers to garden tractors.

Although more RPM can gain you more HP that doesn't  mean you also gain more torque. Matter of fact, if you look at the chart it would suggest that by backing off the throttle to 2600 RPM's would put your max torque at the top of your operating range and you would get more benefit in the use of your OPE if, it was all about torque. Well, we know that's not right because we know our engines and equipment perform better at top engine speeds. So, logically that would mean that more HP is advantagous in the use of our equipment. We definately benefit from more torque but to believe that torque is what it's all about, is not really correct.

Honda GX340

Hi Ben,

Marshall wrote:

I agree with the first part of your statement as that is exactly what I said.

QUOTE "That is why when you look at charts of horsepower curves and torque curves you see almost all the torque power dives at higher rpm's  and most HP curves keep climbing." 

                                                                                                                                                         

        

         

But I disagree with this part of your statement when you are using a machine such as a snowblower that can encounter a heavy load

".We definately benefit from more torque but to believe that torque is what it's all about, is not really correct."

Because if you load the machine down and you hit the point where it drops the RPM's

To a  lower range, you will need the torque to keep it running.  That's when it become a situation when it is all about torque   Look at the chart you posted  . Drop the rpm you went from 10 horsepower to 6  ,  then compare the torque curve  it isn't really much of a curve it is more of a PLATEAU.  real steady and strong from 2000 RPM  all the way up to 2800  RPM..  this is a snowblower we are talking about. ...It is accumulating and compacting weight bearing snow at the auger then has to handle the same weight load  twice when it hits the impeller and it throws it like 50 feet.  Very different requirements on this machine rather than something like a lawnmower. 

Ben07 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because if you load the machine down and you hit the point where it drops the RPM's

To a  lower range, you will need the torque to keep it running.  That's when it become a situation when it is all about torque   Look at the chart you posted  . Drop the rpm you went from 10 horsepower to 6  ,  then compare the torque curve  it isn't really much of a curve it is more of a PLATEAU.  real steady and strong from 2000 RPM  all the way up to 2800  RPM..  this is a snowblower we are talking about. ...It is accumulating and compacting weight bearing snow at the auger then has to handle the same weight load  twice when it hits the impeller and it throws it like 50 feet.  Very different requirements on this machine rather than something like a lawnmower. 

Ben07 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Richie  that's really OK and better that your peak torque is lower than your operating rpm..  (It's better than being there at a higher rpm that you can never get at with a machine with a governor set-up.   It will be there when you need it,  when you are pushing it to the limit  and you put the machines rpm down  it will hold itself up to the task,  an don forget when you do that the governor senses the rpm drop and starts  flooring the accelerator so you are really leaning into the job.   and sometime people can't tell that the governor assist is opening the carb  till they get done with the say 20 car driveway  and their gas tank is empty.  and on lesser snows they found that they used half a tank.  That's when IT IS ALL ABOUT TORQUE.   A rev type engine will just have to slow down in that situation, yous  although under load will still  maintain throwing the snow at a much faster ground speed.    (and in that situation IIMOO that you will do the same overall job of a comparable engine that is built more as a horsepower engine that can sacrafice torque ,faster use less gas and creat significantly lower emissions)

Ben07

Ben,

That's why recently I've been concerning myself less with the horse power, rather with engine torque.  The engine is never run to achieve the rated HP anyway, and that's a fact.  At least when it comes to Briggs or Tecumseh engines, the HP/torque curve charts prove that.  I also feel you are exactly correct about fuel consumption.  Since I purchased this Toro, I've been blow snow in 1st gear, even when we only had 3" of the white stuff.  However, when New York had that recent dumping of snow, the engine used much more fuel.  It wasn't that it covered more ground, it had to remove more tons of snow.  No question about the governor doing its job. 

I should have studied harder in Physics class, I would have understood these engine grievances much easier.  Then again, if the engine specifications were more readily available, it would have answered many questions before they needed to be asked.  Thanks

Richie wrote:

Good way to summarize it all.  In OPE it is more about torque.  

Ben07 

 Richie,

   Go to :"Small Engine Warehouse" site

You can get an 11 to  13 Briggs OHV for between $350.00 and $450.00.

Much better selection on Snow Engines this fall though.

With a 13 Hp OHV, even with EPA controls,

it  ought to produce at least 10 old fashioned HP!

Sure would make you blower a hot rod!!

                                                               Fred     

Hi Fred,