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mobiledynamics


Joined: Oct 1, 2011
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Are tracks THAT much harder to manuver - HS goodies- HS621 replacemment
Original Message   Nov 13, 2012 8:57 am
My current primary residence is fine with a single stager except for the EOD.
As of late, the wet snow we get, sometimes becomes a chore for my HS621.
Or it's more constant chopping, running the auger, breaking up the stuff in the chute, run auger, rinse and repeat


I did have a 724 but sold it - mainly just due to lack of space.
There have been times that I wish I had the 724 and there have also been times where I was smiling DANCING with the HS 621.


I DONT have space for both.

There is a screaming deal on a 724 with Tracks.
You know how it goes. Want versus reality.
I dunno if I'll be have buyers remorse and end up selling the 724TA down the road again...
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aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Are tracks THAT much harder to manuver - HS goodies- HS621 replacemment
Reply #4   Nov 13, 2012 12:09 pm
If all you need the 2 stage for is to attack EOD, any 24" snowblower will do the same basic function.  You still have to go back and forth and take layer off because any snowblower will want to ride up on the snow in certain conditions.

This is where the Honda tracks seems to excel.  Put the bucket in scraper setting, transmission in crawling speed, and hold the drive lever.  It will chew slowly through the EOD without much effort and a lot less riding up.  The scraper mode puts more weight in front.  Tracks are always a pain when there's not a layer of snow for it to ride on, but in nasty weather, it comes to its element and does what it supposed to do very well.

With that said, I don't know how well the 724 does compared to the heavier 928 and 1132.  More weight and more power is a good combination for clearing the EOD piles.  The 724 might be too light and too weak, in my opinion, for the 20+ inches of EOD.  It can probably do it, but at a much slower pace and less gusto.

I dont' mind the tracked snowblower because I rarely have to use it.  I have the HS621 and the Toro 421QE for 90% of snow clearing.  It is great for zipping around tight quarters and cleaning right down to the pavement.  When I need to bring out the big gun 1132, the snow condition is pretty bad and it throw snow so well that I don't notice I'm wrestling it.
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mobiledynamics


Joined: Oct 1, 2011
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Re: Are tracks THAT much harder to manuver - HS goodies- HS621 replacemment
Reply #5   Nov 13, 2012 12:28 pm
Yeah. Give me a 10HP 24" clone ontop of the 24" Bucket.
I don't need all that girth of a 1132. Power yes. Footprint - width, nope...

The 621 can tackle Most of my conditions within reason. I live 4 blocks away from the water....so that doesn't help with the already typical wet snow we get out here...
So even let's say a 6" snowfall, the snow just clumps in the 621 chute and constantly needs a mini impeller to break it up - versus the manual declogging I am doing
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aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
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Re: Are tracks THAT much harder to manuver - HS goodies- HS621 replacemment
Reply #6   Nov 13, 2012 12:47 pm
mobiledynamics wrote:
And ontop, once I shovel it own, a plow will be sure to just come by and put it all back from the snow *down* from me and pushing all their snow back ...

That's a universal truth that is going to remain for a long time.

I'm sure that's the whole point of getting a 2 stage snowblower.  If the snowplows were nice enough to leave my EOD clean with every pass, I'll send the driver a Christmas present every year.
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
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Re: Are tracks THAT much harder to manuver - HS goodies- HS621 replacemment
Reply #7   Nov 13, 2012 1:07 pm
mobiledynamics wrote:
Yeah. Give me a 10HP 24" clone ontop of the 24" Bucket.
I don't need all that girth of a 1132. Power yes. Footprint - width, nope...

The 621 can tackle Most of my conditions within reason. I live 4 blocks away from the water....so that doesn't help with the already typical wet snow we get out here...
So even let's say a 6" snowfall, the snow just clumps in the 621 chute and constantly needs a mini impeller to break it up - versus the manual declogging I am doing

10 hp on a 24" frame sounds like a lot of fun.  Just make it is built sturdy to handle that power.  All the rocks and sand is going to do a nice bead and sandblasting on the bucket right down to shiny bare metal.  :) 

I don't have any clogging issues with my 621, even in 1 foot of wet slushy snow.  The engine will likely stall out before clogging occurs.  Are you sure the belt is not stretched and rubber augers are in good condition? 
55utilitysedan


Location: Litchfield County, CT.
Joined: Dec 19, 2011
Points: 41

Re: Are tracks THAT much harder to manuver - HS goodies- HS621 replacemment
Reply #8   Nov 13, 2012 5:18 pm
I have a 1991 John Deere TRX26 (8hp, track drive). This machine will go anywhere, I drive it up stairs to get to my 42"x16' deck to clear it off. Yes, it is a pain to manuver and worse when no engine power. I installed a "Clarance kit" 2 years ago and now it blows snow like a raped ape and does a very good with slush also. Sometimes wrestling with it  in close quarters at the end of the day is a bit much for this old timer, but I like the attention I get when I throw the white stuff a good 40 feet.    
mobiledynamics


Joined: Oct 1, 2011
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Re: Are tracks THAT much harder to manuver - HS goodies- HS621 replacemment
Reply #9   Nov 13, 2012 5:46 pm
aa335 wrote:
10 hp on a 24" frame sounds like a lot of fun.  Just make it is built sturdy to handle that power.  All the rocks and sand is going to do a nice bead and sandblasting on the bucket right down to shiny bare metal.  :) 

I don't have any clogging issues with my 621, even in 1 foot of wet slushy snow.  The engine will likely stall out before clogging occurs.  Are you sure the belt is not stretched and rubber augers are in good condition? 

I probably need to work on my paticence and take smaller bites to allow the snow to get up and out the chute.
New belts, fresh rubber all around. It's yet to stall on me yet, but I know it's limitations. When I hear her *grunt*, I back off on how much I'm feeding it but then again, I should be taking smaller bites regardless...

However, on heavy EOD, if I'm lucky and it's a weekend and not during a weekday, where I am home, I will try to attack the EOD when it's fresh and soft versus hardened up rock.
I stopped attempting to use if for anything past the sidewalk and resort to ice breaker, a strong back and a shovel --- where if I had a 2 stager, I would not need to.
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
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Re: Are tracks THAT much harder to manuver - HS goodies- HS621 replacemment
Reply #10   Nov 13, 2012 6:10 pm
55utilitysedan wrote:
I Sometimes wrestling with it  in close quarters at the end of the day is a bit much for this old timer, but I like the attention I get when I throw the white stuff a good 40 feet.    

I know exactly what you mean.  Last year we have a 24 inch blizzard that crippled the city for two days, I took the big red tracked snowblower outside to stretch its legs.  It crawled along at an easy pace while tossing the snow across the street.  The people outside stopped whatever they were doing to admire the white rooster tail.  Priceless!!!

I spent more than 2 and a half hours helping people digging out their driveway.  My clothes were completely drenched with sweat and very exhausting from wrestling the machine, but it was good having fun while helping out neighbors. 

So I'm not complaining about tracked snowblowers.  But with the new Ariens Pro 28 snowblower with the monster 410cc engine, I'm feeling some power envy. 
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epremack


Joined: Feb 24, 2011
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Re: Are tracks THAT much harder to manuver - HS goodies- HS621 replacemment
Reply #11   Nov 13, 2012 7:45 pm
My Honda HS928 with tracks is a bit difficult to maneuver when its not moving, so I bought a small $20 dolly (board with four wheels) and slide it under the tracks when I need to maneuver it into its narrow storage space in the garage. 

While using the machine to blow snow, I find it's plenty easy to maneuver while it's moving.  I simply need to think a few feet ahead and steer accordingly.  If I blow it, the hydrostatic transmission on the Honda allows me to back-up easily and correct.

Where I live, we measure snow by the foot, not by the inch, and my driveway is steep.  Tracks are essential for me.  If you need tracks, or can make frequent use of their advantages over wheels, I wouldn't be deterred by the steering concerns. 
hcbph1


Joined: Sep 20, 2012
Points: 16

Re: Are tracks THAT much harder to manuver - HS goodies- HS621 replacemment
Reply #12   Nov 14, 2012 11:55 am
I've used tracked blowers before, had problems with rusting in the drive during off-season.  All my machines are wheeled with chains.  Where I live the city plows over the sidewalks and alley so it's hard to get in and out.  I have a few machines right now including a 10 hp 26" and 10 hp 32" I've refurbished.  I can pretty much throw back anything the city piles on my walk or drive.

Makes you feel like Tim Taylor - "More Power"!

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mobiledynamics


Joined: Oct 1, 2011
Points: 81

Re: Are tracks THAT much harder to manuver - HS goodies- HS621 replacemment
Reply #13   Nov 14, 2012 12:28 pm
hcbph1 wrote:
" I can pretty much throw back anything the city piles on my walk or drive."!

Throw back to a degree. Either you are throwing it to a *mound* that can be a mound and or just spreading it on the blacktop in the street so that cars can still safely pass.
I'm not looking to create a snow speed bump right in front of my place....and the rest of the blacktop around me  is fairly clean after a plow.


I've got one neighbor who want's to be courteous so he lugs all that EOD and shovels it and walks 15 feet and dumps it onto a mound on his property.
I just chuck it out in small qtys and let the sun, salt and blacktop do the work
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