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coasteray


El Toro! 1028 LXE
Tecumseh 358cc
10hp


Location: NE Washington State
Joined: Mar 3, 2008
Points: 142

Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumseh engine?
Original Message   Nov 20, 2011 1:10 am
I just started using my new hour meter/tachometer today on my blower, and it peaked out at only 3180rpm, but steadily displayed 3120rpm.  It is this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Tachometer-Kawasaki-Motorcycle-Generator-Snowmobile/dp/B0049IFX56/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1321768364&sr=1-1-catcorr 
         

Using that horsepower-to-torque formula (HP = torque x rpm, divided by 5252), I get 8.66 HP at 3120rpm.  At 3600, it would be 9.993 HP.  For the formula I used a torque figure of 14.58, which I got by plugging in the assumed Tecumseh 10.0 HP figure at the assumed rpm of 3600, into the torque-to-horsepower formula (HP x 5252, divided by 3600).  Lots of assumptions, I know, but I had to get the torque figure that way so I could turn around the formula to get my horsepower figure at 3120rpm.

Anyway, I don't know if this meter is accurate.  When my son and I get his Ariens ST824 put back together again (took it apart to paint the inside of the housing; adjust the chains; replace the friction disc, cracked handlebars, and beat-up/bent impeller; serrate the augers using a Platinum 30 cardboard template I made while at Home Depot; greasing the chains, auger shaft, and friction disc shaft), then I will try my tachometer on his machine.  I may just pick up another meter to compare in the end. 

If the reading is the same on his, or close, then maybe it is the meter.  If he gets around 3600rpm at full throttle, then maybe I need to adjust my governor.   If I do have to adjust it, does anyone know how to do that?  It's only a three-year old Tecumseh L-Head 358cc.  Thanks for any help.
This message was modified Nov 21, 2011 by coasteray


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blumonster


Location: Wisc.
Joined: Oct 14, 2011
Points: 163

Re: Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumseh engine?
Reply #43   Nov 22, 2011 9:35 pm
jrtrebor wrote:
blumonster -  Normally on a set up such as this.  You would increase the tension of the gov. spring to increase the RPM.  All of the old Toro 2 cycle blowers had set ups like this  The gov spring was either attached to a metal tab that you would bend to increase the spring tension.  Or it was connected to a small bracket that you would loosen and slid to increase the spring tension.  The set up on the Honda HS35 is the same way.  You move the spring to another hole in the bracket which is further away from the gov. arm which increases the spring tension, which will increase the RPM.  Having said that, if the gov spring is very old there is a good chance that it has lost some of it's spring tension.  So moving it to another hole may or may not do what it should do.  In that case a person can buy a new spring or shorten the loop on one end of the old spring.  Shortening the spring a little will increase the tension to offset what has been lost over the years.
As I posted before.  Loosening the gov. arm on the gov. shaft should really not ever have to be done unless the bolt has some how come loose.  Doing that procedure simple resets the gov. to it's original setting.  It won't help or change anything
if you have a bad gov spring.  The gov works against the gov spring.  To weak a gov spring lower RPM  to strong a gov. spring and you will over rev the engine.



Thank you jrtrebor.

blumonster


Location: Wisc.
Joined: Oct 14, 2011
Points: 163

Re: Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumseh engine?
Reply #44   Nov 22, 2011 9:38 pm
MN_Runner wrote:
The owner's manual on my ex HS35 states 3.5HP at 1800RPM.  The HS35 I had was the very first model prior to the updated CDI HS35, which was used on serial number greater than 104XXX.  If my owner's manual is correct with1800 RPM then 2200 RPM is not too far out and within the range.  Perhaps this explains why the engine would sound really bad at higher RPM as it is not designed to rev that high.  I could see my piston flying out at 6500RPM, which would have been a nice show.



MN_Runner, the shop manual I have is published in 1980 and printed in 1986.The updates are covered in the supplement to the manual.

4000RPM is mentioned in the main part of the shop manual.It is interesting to have two different governed RPM values.

My machine too is the older version with frame serial number smaller than 1048...If we believe the owners' manual then everything is OK. (?)

blumonster


Location: Wisc.
Joined: Oct 14, 2011
Points: 163

Re: Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumseh engine?
Reply #45   Nov 22, 2011 9:51 pm
MN_Runner, I just looked at the owners' manual I had downloaded before.There it says 3.5hp@3600RPM.But it is for C.D.I.

Where did you download yours from?

MN_Runner


Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Joined: Dec 5, 2010
Points: 622

Re: Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumseh engine?
Reply #46   Nov 22, 2011 10:39 pm
The previous owner (college professor) gave me his original manual in an impeccable shape.  I passed it to the new owner.  It was just confusing , your service manual says 4000rpm and at that RPM my HS35 engine sounded like it was going to throw up the piston.
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumseh engine?
Reply #47   Nov 22, 2011 10:45 pm
@MN_Runner,

No more single stage snowblowers?  Maybe a Toro 621?
MN_Runner


Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Joined: Dec 5, 2010
Points: 622

Re: Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumasseh engine?
Reply #48   Nov 22, 2011 10:58 pm
Perhaps I will not get one now.  I have no fancy anymore as my one week HS35 experiment was enough.
blumonster


Location: Wisc.
Joined: Oct 14, 2011
Points: 163

Re: Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumseh engine?
Reply #49   Nov 22, 2011 11:24 pm
I guess I will have to wait for somebody else who can help.
borat


Joined: Nov 10, 2007
Points: 2692

Re: Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumseh engine?
Reply #50   Nov 23, 2011 9:15 am
MN Runner:

Pick up a used Craftsman/Murray machine with a two cycle Tecumseh engine in it.   Put a string on the governor arm to spin it up and see what it can do.  You'll  find it effective and entertaining.
MN_Runner


Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Joined: Dec 5, 2010
Points: 622

Re: Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumseh engine?
Reply #51   Nov 23, 2011 9:16 am
blumonster,

You have a secret weapon which is your service manual.  Advices from jetberator, trouts and borat are all good - maybe they can do a facetime with you.  So whatever mistake you make on HS35, you will be a pro when you have to fix your HS621.

aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumasseh engine?
Reply #52   Nov 23, 2011 10:49 am
MN_Runner wrote:
Perhaps I will not get one now.  I have no fancy anymore as my one week HS35 experiment was enough.

I do applaud you for venturing outside of your comfort zone on this one though.  I think you would have better transition working on a simple two stroke machine like a Toro Powerlite as opposed to a complex HS35.
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