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coasteray


El Toro! 1028 LXE
Tecumseh 358cc
10hp


Location: NE Washington State
Joined: Mar 3, 2008
Points: 142

Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumseh engine?
Original Message   Nov 20, 2011 1:10 am
I just started using my new hour meter/tachometer today on my blower, and it peaked out at only 3180rpm, but steadily displayed 3120rpm.  It is this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Tachometer-Kawasaki-Motorcycle-Generator-Snowmobile/dp/B0049IFX56/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1321768364&sr=1-1-catcorr 
         

Using that horsepower-to-torque formula (HP = torque x rpm, divided by 5252), I get 8.66 HP at 3120rpm.  At 3600, it would be 9.993 HP.  For the formula I used a torque figure of 14.58, which I got by plugging in the assumed Tecumseh 10.0 HP figure at the assumed rpm of 3600, into the torque-to-horsepower formula (HP x 5252, divided by 3600).  Lots of assumptions, I know, but I had to get the torque figure that way so I could turn around the formula to get my horsepower figure at 3120rpm.

Anyway, I don't know if this meter is accurate.  When my son and I get his Ariens ST824 put back together again (took it apart to paint the inside of the housing; adjust the chains; replace the friction disc, cracked handlebars, and beat-up/bent impeller; serrate the augers using a Platinum 30 cardboard template I made while at Home Depot; greasing the chains, auger shaft, and friction disc shaft), then I will try my tachometer on his machine.  I may just pick up another meter to compare in the end. 

If the reading is the same on his, or close, then maybe it is the meter.  If he gets around 3600rpm at full throttle, then maybe I need to adjust my governor.   If I do have to adjust it, does anyone know how to do that?  It's only a three-year old Tecumseh L-Head 358cc.  Thanks for any help.
This message was modified Nov 21, 2011 by coasteray


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blumonster


Location: Wisc.
Joined: Oct 14, 2011
Points: 163

Re: Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumseh engine?
Reply #16   Nov 21, 2011 11:59 am
MN_Runner wrote:
I just ordered the governor spring from my Honda dealer so I will give it a try on Wed.  I moved some snow from the grass to my driveway and tried the blower.  It does blow snow better than I expected.


I am looking forward to hearing how it effects the RPM.If it works I will get one too.
MN_Runner


Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Joined: Dec 5, 2010
Points: 622

Re: Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumseh engine?
Reply #17   Nov 21, 2011 12:13 pm
blumonster,

I would get this one from Northern Tools: http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_524744_524744?cm_mmc=Google-pla-_-Engines-_-Small%20Engine%20Accessories-_-160590&ci_sku=160590&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw={keyword}

EMS brand is $39 but maybe worth the money.  I have some doubts about my current cheap tachometer (about $15-20 including shipping).  It blew the snow better and farther than I thought it would but I could hear the engine slowing down when it went over about 6 inch of snow.  I am encouraged.

I will let you know when I install the new governor spring if it gets better. 

RedOctobyr


Location: Lowell area, MA
Joined: Nov 5, 2011
Points: 282

Re: Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumseh engine?
Reply #18   Nov 21, 2011 1:00 pm
If you have a generator, hook the untrusted tachometer to that, and see if you get 3600 RPM.

On the flip side, if you have a generator, but no tachometer, if you have a device called a Kill-A-Watt, it will show you the frequency of your wall outlet power, to 1 decimal place. It also shows the voltage of the outlet, and the amps and watts being drawn through it. During the recent snowstorm power outages in New England, I was using my Kill-A-Watt to keep an eye on how the generator was doing under increasing loads. I could see if it was slowing down (less than 60 Hz), and what the voltage was (eg- ~125V with no load, dropped to ~118 as I loaded it up).
MN_Runner


Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Joined: Dec 5, 2010
Points: 622

Re: Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumseh engine?
Reply #19   Nov 21, 2011 2:02 pm
The tachometer seems correct as it does show 3600RPM at the full throttle on my HS928.  This old HS35 at 3600 RPM does not sound too good so I will have to watch the RPM after getting a brand new governor spring.
blumonster


Location: Wisc.
Joined: Oct 14, 2011
Points: 163

Re: Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumseh engine?
Reply #20   Nov 21, 2011 3:17 pm
MN_Runner, you mean it sounds bad at 3600 rpm?If it is the factory set RPM it should not.What we got into...
MN_Runner


Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Joined: Dec 5, 2010
Points: 622

Re: Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumseh engine?
Reply #21   Nov 21, 2011 3:29 pm
It does not sound good.  Whatever I do with the current governor spring, the RPM reads 2280.  I am just wondering if something is fishy with my tachometer.
MN_Runner


Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Joined: Dec 5, 2010
Points: 622

Re: Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumseh engine?
Reply #22   Nov 21, 2011 3:49 pm
blumonster wrote:
MN_Runner, you mean it sounds bad at 3600 rpm?If it is the factory set RPM it should not.What we got into...


The part that bothers me is that when it tried to go over 6" of snow, it was having some power issue.  This thing will be too weak for EOD.  I thinking about selling this 30 yr old blower and just break even.
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumseh engine?
Reply #23   Nov 21, 2011 3:59 pm
MN_Runner wrote:
It does not sound good.  Whatever I do with the current governor spring, the RPM reads 2280.  I am just wondering if something is fishy with my tachometer.

It's not the tachometer, or the spring.  The spring will affect how quickly/slowly the RPM changes, but not the governed RPM.

You have to loosen that nut on the governor arm, then slowly rotate the governor arm shaft with a needle nose plier, then tighten the nut up again.  Forgot which way to turn, but it's very touchy.  A little turn makes big changes in RPM.



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MN_Runner


Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Joined: Dec 5, 2010
Points: 622

Re: Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumseh engine?
Reply #24   Nov 21, 2011 4:59 pm
You are correct.  It is just a lot of work to take the covers off to get that access on HS35 and is a real PITA.  I wish I had diagrams on how to take the covers off so I had an access to the governor.
blumonster


Location: Wisc.
Joined: Oct 14, 2011
Points: 163

Re: Tachometer rpm reading accurate on my Toro Tecumseh engine?
Reply #25   Nov 21, 2011 6:28 pm
aa335, here is the part about that nut:

MN_Runner, will just taking the rear cover be enough to reach the governor arm nut?If so it looks easier:

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