Abby's Guide to Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more)
Username Password
Discussions Reviews More Guides
Abby’s Guide > Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) > Discussions > Ariens Project #4

Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

Search For:
jrtrebor


Location: Michigan - 3 hours north of Chicago on the lake
Joined: Feb 10, 2010
Points: 539

Ariens Project #4
Original Message   Oct 15, 2011 9:35 pm
Finished redoing the dash on my blower
The new Honda 13hp engine I got to repower the blower (again)
was in great shape. Has the electric start and a 10A charging coil.
But it didn't have any of the wiring. No key switch, no rectifier, nothing.
All the factory stuff is way out of my budget so It had to go old school.
With an ignition on/off switch. (The old one that was still on the blower)
And a starter push button. Which meant that I had to rewire the whole
ignition system from the engine to the dash.
That is how things got started.
Then being the way I am, I couldn't just run new wire and leave it at that.
What's the fun it that. Anyway it's finished.
Just need to get a new impeller bearing and flanges and I can put the whole blower
back together and mate it to the tractor.


This message was modified Oct 18, 2011 by a moderator
Replies: 50 - 58 of 58Next page of topicsPreviousAllView as Outline
jrtrebor


Location: Michigan - 3 hours north of Chicago on the lake
Joined: Feb 10, 2010
Points: 539

Re: Ariens Project #4
Reply #50   Nov 8, 2011 1:49 pm
Alright, put the engine back together and took some readings.
Test 1
Across both wires coming from coil.  Meter set to VAC 
@ idle 9V
@ FT  23V

Battery was charged reading 13.6V and hooked in system
Test 2
Red wire hooked to term #2 on Rec/reg and running to starter Sol.
Meter set to VDC Blk. probe to grnd.  Red probe to battery + post (it's easier to get to).
@ idle 13.0V     w/ lgt. on  12.3V
@ FT  13.3V     w/ lgt. on   13.1V
(This was the first check I ran.  When I ran all the others I ran this one again. And the readings were lower. in the 12.5V range.
Was that the battery voltage dropping some from the original 13.6V charge) ?

Test 3

Moved red wire from term #2 to term. #1
@ idle  12.8V
@ FT   17.8V and it was slowly climbing

Test 4

Removed the red wire from term. #1 and took reading off the bare term.
@ idle 12V
@ FT   38V but it was slowwwwly falling.
(Didn't take this same type of reading off terminal #2)

All the readings seemed fluctuate a little + or -  .2 or more
carlb


Joined: Nov 16, 2010
Points: 279

Re: Ariens Project #4
Reply #51   Nov 8, 2011 4:46 pm
it is very difficult to get a good reading on a charging system without some type of load or buffer such as a battery or light.  You may be seeing very high voltage with no load but it will normally drop substancially when a load is applied.

I would hook up the light to term 1  and the battery to the term 2 
Then take a reading off both terminals both with the light on and the light off.

Voltage reading at an idle really isn't necessary as it will usually be low.

This is how i would hook it up.  The worst that can happen is you burn out the bulb which i doubt or you undercharge the battery which wont really hurt anything.

If this is the best that you can achive with this regulator that is what i would do. 

You may have to put the battery on a trickle charge after use if the battery gets too low.  If you don't have to use the light you should not have any problems.

Good Luck
This message was modified Nov 8, 2011 by carlb
jrtrebor


Location: Michigan - 3 hours north of Chicago on the lake
Joined: Feb 10, 2010
Points: 539

Re: Ariens Project #4
Reply #52   Nov 8, 2011 6:44 pm
carlb -Thanks for the reply.
jrtrebor


Location: Michigan - 3 hours north of Chicago on the lake
Joined: Feb 10, 2010
Points: 539

Re: Ariens Project #4
Reply #53   Nov 9, 2011 8:24 pm
carlb wrote:
I would hook up the light to term 1  and the battery to the term 2 
Then take a reading off both terminals both with the light on and the light off.
Voltage reading at an idle really isn't necessary as it will usually be low.
This is how i would hook it up.  The worst that can happen is you burn out the bulb which i doubt or you undercharge the battery which wont really hurt anything.
If this is the best that you can achive with this regulator that is what i would do. 
Good Luck

Well, I hooked up term 1 to the starter solenoid.  And term 2 directly to the battery + post. 
Took reading off the battery + post
@ idle 14.6V
@ idle with the light on 13.3V
@ full throttle 14.6v
@ full throttle with the light on 14.3V
That would be a good reading.
I guess for some reason I needed to have both terminals hooked up.  Don't have any idea why that would be. 
But I believe that 14.5V @ FT is an acceptable reading. Yes?
Checked today the light is 35W
This message was modified Nov 9, 2011 by jrtrebor
manjestic


Location: North Shore, MA
Joined: Oct 31, 2011
Points: 87

Re: Ariens Project #4
Reply #54   Nov 9, 2011 11:44 pm
I would say that would be acceptable, yes.  You have a push button starter switch and no key.  If you do go to a key switch with off-on-start, you might route the connection to term 2 via the "ON" part of the key switch.  My thinking is that your battery might run down when the system is off, as you are powering the regulator circuit via term 2.

You could verify this by putting an ammeter on you battery when the engine is off and see if you get parasitic draw off of the battery.
jrtrebor


Location: Michigan - 3 hours north of Chicago on the lake
Joined: Feb 10, 2010
Points: 539

Re: Ariens Project #4
Reply #55   Nov 10, 2011 12:09 am
manjestic wrote:
I would say that would be acceptable, yes.  You have a push button starter switch and no key.  If you do go to a key switch with off-on-start, you might route the connection to term 2 via the "ON" part of the key switch.  My thinking is that your battery might run down when the system is off, as you are powering the regulator circuit via term 2.

You could verify this by putting an ammeter on you battery when the engine is off and see if you get parasitic draw off of the battery.

Thanks for your comment.  I will check the battery in the morning and see if it's charge has dropped from where it was this evening.
This stuff makes me crazy.  Wish I had a better understanding of it all.
manjestic


Location: North Shore, MA
Joined: Oct 31, 2011
Points: 87

Re: Ariens Project #4
Reply #56   Nov 10, 2011 7:04 am
jrtrebor wrote:
This stuff makes me crazy..


I'm in a different boat. I'm OK with the electrical. I'm uneasy about removing a cast hub frozen to the pulley and to the impeller shaft.
carlb


Joined: Nov 16, 2010
Points: 279

Re: Ariens Project #4
Reply #57   Nov 10, 2011 10:42 am
jrtrebor wrote:
Well, I hooked up term 1 to the starter solenoid.  And term 2 directly to the battery + post. 
Took reading off the battery + post
@ idle 14.6V
@ idle with the light on 13.3V
@ full throttle 14.6v
@ full throttle with the light on 14.3V
That would be a good reading.
I guess for some reason I needed to have both terminals hooked up.  Don't have any idea why that would be. 
But I believe that 14.5V @ FT is an acceptable reading. Yes?
Checked today the light is 35W

You could have hooked up both wires to either the battery or the solenoid and it wouldn't not have made any difference since the battery + post is connected directly to the + post on the solenoid. 

I agree you should be fine with the 14.5volt reading, glad to see you finally found a solution that should work fine.
jrtrebor


Location: Michigan - 3 hours north of Chicago on the lake
Joined: Feb 10, 2010
Points: 539

Re: Ariens Project #4
Reply #58   Nov 10, 2011 12:15 pm
carlb - Thanks for all your input. I may go ahead and hook both wires to the solenoid.  Have any thoughts as to why I needed to have both terminals hooked up
instead of just one?  Maybe I can learn something.
This message was modified Nov 10, 2011 by jrtrebor
Replies: 50 - 58 of 58Next page of topicsPreviousAllView as Outline
Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Guide   •   Discussions  Reviews  
AbbysGuide.com   About Us   Terms of Use   Privacy Policy   Contact Us
Copyright 1998-2024 AbbysGuide.com. All rights reserved.