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mobiledynamics


Joined: Oct 1, 2011
Points: 81

Horses vs. Bucket Width
Original Message   Oct 2, 2011 11:13 am
Relative to larger horses generally equals larger buckets - as well as overall OPE equipment.

For a given application of 7 horses on a 24" versus 9 on a 28" bucket, how much more does the extra horses in power versus the lesser play a role in bucket size.
Or do I just look at weight of both machines and look at it from a power-displacement ratio.

Or I would assume more torque, less HP is even better when looking at engines for snowblowers.
I do like the smaller bucket but I also like the extra power....
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stresst


Location: The Village in the Middle of New York
Joined: Dec 11, 2010
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Re: Horses vs. Bucket Width
Reply #11   Oct 4, 2011 8:15 pm
FrankMA wrote:
I think the whole argument boils down to what the snowblower operator deems an acceptable amount of time to clear a given area. I can go out there after a major storm and clear my property with one of my single stage units and get the job done. It will obviously take much more time but the end result will be the same.


With all due respect you could never clear EOD mountains that the NYC sanitation leaves with a single stage unit. I was one of a lonely few that was able to cut through the mountains left by these guys and mind you nearly everyone had two stage units. Like I said in my other post they salt before it snows, then the plow, then they salt, then plow then salt which creates so much ice that unless its 10 degrees and no traffic over the snow you need a strong 2 stage. JMHO

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FrankMA


Location: Merrimack Valley/Northeastern Mass
Joined: Jul 1, 2010
Points: 587

Re: Horses vs. Bucket Width
Reply #12   Oct 4, 2011 8:38 pm
stresst wrote:
With all due respect you could never clear EOD mountains that the NYC sanitation leaves with a single stage unit. I was one of a lonely few that was able to cut through the mountains left by these guys and mind you nearly everyone had two stage units. Like I said in my other post they salt before it snows, then the plow, then they salt, then plow then salt which creates so much ice that unless its 10 degrees and no traffic over the snow you need a strong 2 stage. JMHO


I would not want to do it with a single stage either but it could be done. You would have to knock down the height and chop up the chunks into smaller, more manageable sizes before going at it with a single stage or even a sub compact 2 stage for that matter. The point I was trying to convey was that if you take your time and work the machine within its limits, the job can get done.

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mobiledynamics


Joined: Oct 1, 2011
Points: 81

Re: Horses vs. Bucket Width
Reply #13   Oct 4, 2011 8:53 pm
I tackled the same stuff as stresst. 26+ on anything that is not on the *street* - aka salted is fine.

Slow small bits, BUT constantly clearing the chute due to wet packing clogging snow.
I suppose heavy slush is just the same on any machine......it just doesn't like getting thrown.
I saw a video on youtube of these monster simplicitys getting beaten by the wet slushy stuff.

My SS cannot and will not take EOD. Maybe fresh EOD. But not anything more.
It's too heavy to move anything effective out of the chute.
I move as much snow as I can onto the front garden, etc.
But everything else past the  driveway, I chop with a ice breaker, and is a constant routine on  being a Olympic Shovel Thrower. I  just lift and chuck the hardended EOD as high as I can so that when it falls, it breaks and crumbles.....allowing passing cars to safely drive over it.

Any HS622 users in here. Or have any any experience with it.
I do like the footprint. but the drive controls are way at the bottom ---- which is a big downside as well.
FrankMA


Location: Merrimack Valley/Northeastern Mass
Joined: Jul 1, 2010
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Re: Horses vs. Bucket Width
Reply #14   Oct 4, 2011 8:56 pm
mobiledynamics wrote:
I tackled the same stuff as stresst. 26+ on anything that is not on the *street* - aka salted is fine.

Slow small bits, BUT constantly clearing the chute due to wet packing clogging snow.
I suppose heavy slush is just the same on any machine......it just doesn't like getting thrown.
I saw a video on youtube of these monster simplicitys getting beaten by the wet slushy stuff.

My SS cannot and will not take EOD. Maybe fresh EOD. But not anything more.
It's too heavy to move anything effective out of the chute.
I move as much snow as I can onto the front garden, etc.
But everything else past the  driveway, I chop with a ice breaker, and is a constant routine on  being a Olympic Shovel Thrower. I  just lift and chuck the hardended EOD as high as I can so that when it falls, it breaks and crumbles.....allowing passing cars to safely drive over it.

Any HS622 users in here. Or have any any experience with it.
I do like the footprint. but the drive controls are way at the bottom ---- which is a big downside as well.


YIKES! Have you considered moving to Florida???

Toro Wheel Horse 522xi GT, Honda HS928TA, Honda HS621AS, Honda HS520A, Toro CCR3000 (work in progress), Honda HS624WA (sold 08/23/2010), Stihl BR550 Backpack Blower, Stihl MS250, McCulloch MS1635, Honda EM6500SX Generator
mobiledynamics


Joined: Oct 1, 2011
Points: 81

Re: Horses vs. Bucket Width
Reply #15   Oct 4, 2011 9:07 pm
Heh.   My neighbor who does not even own a SB understands that if you dump it out....the snowplow will be putting it back in the spot.

I'm a lazy sunva$#%* and there is no way I'm tossing that stuff on my front yard. But he,  60+ years old will faithfully just carry all that EOD and dump into into his backyard with a Shovel !
Once I get down to a reasonable level, I will just push snow out the street, walk it a bit and spread it over....and let sun, salt, blacktop and the occasional car do it's magic....

The houses across the street have it easy. Since the plows plow only to the right......snow walls will be built up against curbside parked cars as high to the roofline and more.

I just care about the the area of the street which meets the driveway --- like I said, even after leaving a 8" wall parallel to the out edge of the parked curbside cards, the plows will just come and break that wall and shove all the snow in. It's futile just even clearing it, as when I get home, I park the car wherever I can - then need to clear the entire driveway away just so I can pull in.

Thanks to our dear old sanitation dept.
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jrtrebor


Location: Michigan - 3 hours north of Chicago on the lake
Joined: Feb 10, 2010
Points: 539

Re: Horses vs. Bucket Width
Reply #16   Oct 4, 2011 10:45 pm
I would agree with FrankMAs first comment. About time and square footage.  Ground speed, snow consistancy and depth and engine HP.  Are the three factors that need to be matched to effectively and efficiently remove any amount any type of snow. Then you have the large EOD piles that are different matter.  Horsepower and mass probably play the largest factor there. Sometimes just to get through the first pass.  No SS is going to fair well tacking that job. Although persistence may pay off SS are not designed for that type of work. The augers spin at a high RPM and usually are not made of a thick enough steel to take that type of snow.  It's hard on the blower and sooner or later something is going to break or bend. I'm my opinion a well built 24" with a 13HP would probably go through anything a person would face.
Not sure whether that combination is available.  I have been toying with the idea of putting my 11hp Honda clone on an older ST model Ariens I have sitting around.  Just what I need, another project.
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
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Re: Horses vs. Bucket Width
Reply #17   Oct 5, 2011 12:27 am
mobiledynamics wrote:
Heh.   My neighbor who does not even own a SB understands that if you dump it out....the snowplow will be putting it back in the spot.

I'm a lazy sunva$#%* and there is no way I'm tossing that stuff on my front yard. But he,  60+ years old will faithfully just carry all that EOD and dump into into his backyard with a Shovel !
Once I get down to a reasonable level, I will just push snow out the street, walk it a bit and spread it over....and let sun, salt, blacktop and the occasional car do it's magic....

The houses across the street have it easy. Since the plows plow only to the right......snow walls will be built up against curbside parked cars as high to the roofline and more.

I just care about the the area of the street which meets the driveway --- like I said, even after leaving a 8" wall parallel to the out edge of the parked curbside cards, the plows will just come and break that wall and shove all the snow in. It's futile just even clearing it, as when I get home, I park the car wherever I can - then need to clear the entire driveway away just so I can pull in.

Thanks to our dear old sanitation dept.

With the exception of the plowing ONLY to the right, I have the same woes as far as city plows putting snow on the EOD.  Gives me an excuse to have a 2 stage snowblower.  If the city plow was to take care of my EOD mess, they may as well pull in a few feet on the driveway and back drag the snow onto the street.  I don't see that happening, not in America anyways.  Without the EOD situation, all I really need is a good single stage snowblower.
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