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DavidNJ


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Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Original Message   Oct 7, 2010 11:17 pm
Ariens mounts there motors behind the axle, moving weight of the scoop. It definitely makes it easy to handle; so far, it is the only 30" that doesn't scare my wife. However, not scaring my wife isn't the main criteria.

If the weight is on the nose it resists riding up. If the weight in on the rear wheels it aids traction. Going uphill, additional weight transfers to the wheels. Going downhill, it transfers to the scoop. Although that may or may not be significant.

So which is better? The most bias to the wheels as possible?

As a side bar, several snow blowers have optional weights to go on the scoop. These typically are on the top, a bit forward of the skid shoe. And rather small, 10#. More like an offset for a cab. Is higher overall weight better? Is it better to have 80# on the nose and 170# on the wheels or 150# on the nose and 170# on the wheels?

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DavidNJ


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Re: Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Reply #9   Oct 9, 2010 1:07 am
aa335 wrote:
Well, sort of. It acts like a wheelie bar because the pivot point moves backwards as the bucket rises. The tracks also has a mechanism to shift the more weight forward or backwards as needed. I don't think 150 pounds on the bucket to stop the bucket from popping up is practical, but you can try it and report how it works.


Wheelie bars don't move the pivot. They act like sticking out an arm to brace yourself has you are falling. As shown, the force raising the nose should be in the 75 pound range at the skid shoes, limited by rear wheel traction. If the nose is heavier, it will stay down.
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
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Re: Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Reply #10   Oct 9, 2010 7:40 am
I was referring to track on snowblower.

But whatever. You are the man. It is what it is.
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DavidNJ


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Re: Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Reply #11   Oct 9, 2010 10:32 pm
If two snowblowers had the same weight on the rear wheels, say 185#, but one had 90# on the skid shoes centered 22" from the axle and the other had 50# centered on the skid shoes centered 20" from the axle, which would be preferable? What if the one with 90# up front had 16" tires and the other had 15" tires?
aa335


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Re: Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Reply #12   Oct 10, 2010 7:17 am
The shiny one that has more horsepower, bigger tires, and comes with a wheelie bar.
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Steve_Cebu


Joined: Dec 17, 2009
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Re: Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Reply #13   Oct 10, 2010 9:13 am
DavidNJ wrote:
Wheelie bars don't move the pivot. They act like sticking out an arm to brace yourself has you are falling. As shown, the force raising the nose should be in the 75 pound range at the skid shoes, limited by rear wheel traction. If the nose is heavier, it will stay down.



Go ahead add 75-150 lbs.onto the front end of YOUR snowblower that would make turning fun. The bucket might support the weight but you'd be shaving the bottoms off the shoes of people living in China.

All the guy needs to do is buy a 25 lb. weight plate at Dicks Sporting Goods or Sports Authority and use a bunch of wire ties to hold it on the front of the bucket if he actually needs even that much weight. Dicks charges .89 cents a lb. for grip plates and if you go to a place that sells bodybuilding equipment you can buy a rubber coated weight plate for about $2 per lb.

75 lbs.of extra weight on the bucket is looney!

"If you have more miles on your snow blower than your car, you live in New England."  "If you can drive 75 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard without flinching, you live in New England."
aa335


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Re: Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Reply #14   Oct 11, 2010 9:42 am
DavidNJ wrote:
If two snowblowers had the same weight on the rear wheels, say 185#, but one had 90# on the skid shoes centered 22" from the axle and the other had 50# centered on the skid shoes centered 20" from the axle, which would be preferable? What if the one with 90# up front had 16" tires and the other had 15" tires?

Can you draw a free body diagram showing where the flux decapitator is in relation to center of rotation of the nut behind the handlebars?

Are the skid shoes plastic or metal?  What's the torque on the nut behind the handlebars?  How many times was that nut overtorqued? 

Are those tires all season tires?  mounted on alloy rims or steel rims?
This message was modified Oct 11, 2010 by aa335
Shryp


Location: Cleveland, OH
Joined: Jul 26, 2010
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Re: Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Reply #15   Oct 11, 2010 9:56 am
aa335 wrote:
Can you draw a free body diagram showing where the flux decapitator is in relation to center of rotation of the nut behind the handlebars?

Are the skid shoes plastic or metal?  What's the torque on the nut behind the handlebars?  How many times was that nut overtorqued? 

Are those tires all season tires?  mounted on alloy rims or steel rims?

I think the nut was under torqued and vibrated loose while reversing with the auger engaged.
FrankMA


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Re: Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Reply #16   Oct 11, 2010 9:57 am
Other factors to consider: What time of day was the snowblower purchased? Were the stars aligned in retrograde to the atmospheric conductivity? Is the air in the tires standard or metric and is said air rated for winter or summer use? etc, etc, etc.... The list is endless but must be compiled completely in order to determine which snowblower is best at this particular moment in time!

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aa335


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Re: Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Reply #17   Oct 11, 2010 10:04 am
No worries mate, all we need is a binary decision diagram.  Anyone seen one of these?
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
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Re: Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Reply #18   Oct 11, 2010 10:10 am
Shryp wrote:
I think the nut was under torqued and vibrated loose while reversing with the auger engaged.

I bet it was an out-of-round nut tightened using a metric crescent wrench.
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