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DavidNJ


Joined: Sep 26, 2010
Points: 206

Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Original Message   Oct 7, 2010 11:17 pm
Ariens mounts there motors behind the axle, moving weight of the scoop. It definitely makes it easy to handle; so far, it is the only 30" that doesn't scare my wife. However, not scaring my wife isn't the main criteria.

If the weight is on the nose it resists riding up. If the weight in on the rear wheels it aids traction. Going uphill, additional weight transfers to the wheels. Going downhill, it transfers to the scoop. Although that may or may not be significant.

So which is better? The most bias to the wheels as possible?

As a side bar, several snow blowers have optional weights to go on the scoop. These typically are on the top, a bit forward of the skid shoe. And rather small, 10#. More like an offset for a cab. Is higher overall weight better? Is it better to have 80# on the nose and 170# on the wheels or 150# on the nose and 170# on the wheels?

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aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Reply #14   Oct 11, 2010 9:42 am
DavidNJ wrote:
If two snowblowers had the same weight on the rear wheels, say 185#, but one had 90# on the skid shoes centered 22" from the axle and the other had 50# centered on the skid shoes centered 20" from the axle, which would be preferable? What if the one with 90# up front had 16" tires and the other had 15" tires?

Can you draw a free body diagram showing where the flux decapitator is in relation to center of rotation of the nut behind the handlebars?

Are the skid shoes plastic or metal?  What's the torque on the nut behind the handlebars?  How many times was that nut overtorqued? 

Are those tires all season tires?  mounted on alloy rims or steel rims?
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Shryp


Location: Cleveland, OH
Joined: Jul 26, 2010
Points: 532

Re: Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Reply #15   Oct 11, 2010 9:56 am
aa335 wrote:
Can you draw a free body diagram showing where the flux decapitator is in relation to center of rotation of the nut behind the handlebars?

Are the skid shoes plastic or metal?  What's the torque on the nut behind the handlebars?  How many times was that nut overtorqued? 

Are those tires all season tires?  mounted on alloy rims or steel rims?

I think the nut was under torqued and vibrated loose while reversing with the auger engaged.
FrankMA


Location: Merrimack Valley/Northeastern Mass
Joined: Jul 1, 2010
Points: 587

Re: Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Reply #16   Oct 11, 2010 9:57 am
Other factors to consider: What time of day was the snowblower purchased? Were the stars aligned in retrograde to the atmospheric conductivity? Is the air in the tires standard or metric and is said air rated for winter or summer use? etc, etc, etc.... The list is endless but must be compiled completely in order to determine which snowblower is best at this particular moment in time!

Toro Wheel Horse 522xi GT, Honda HS928TA, Honda HS621AS, Honda HS520A, Toro CCR3000 (work in progress), Honda HS624WA (sold 08/23/2010), Stihl BR550 Backpack Blower, Stihl MS250, McCulloch MS1635, Honda EM6500SX Generator
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Reply #17   Oct 11, 2010 10:04 am
No worries mate, all we need is a binary decision diagram.  Anyone seen one of these?
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Reply #18   Oct 11, 2010 10:10 am
Shryp wrote:
I think the nut was under torqued and vibrated loose while reversing with the auger engaged.

I bet it was an out-of-round nut tightened using a metric crescent wrench.
FrankMA


Location: Merrimack Valley/Northeastern Mass
Joined: Jul 1, 2010
Points: 587

Re: Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Reply #19   Oct 11, 2010 10:16 am
I think we all agree that doing your homework prior to a large purchase is prudent but DavidNJ takes it to a whole different level - YIKES!

Toro Wheel Horse 522xi GT, Honda HS928TA, Honda HS621AS, Honda HS520A, Toro CCR3000 (work in progress), Honda HS624WA (sold 08/23/2010), Stihl BR550 Backpack Blower, Stihl MS250, McCulloch MS1635, Honda EM6500SX Generator
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Reply #20   Oct 11, 2010 10:29 am
I applaud him for  "pioneering" spirit and relentless devotion to eradicate mis-information and propaganda on this forum to set us straight. 

And not to mention the relentless drive to point out the "not-so-obvious" things that most of us just say "who cares" or "what's the f*&* difference?"
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DavidNJ


Joined: Sep 26, 2010
Points: 206

Re: Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Reply #21   Oct 11, 2010 11:56 am
The answer is, do you want to move snow or spend lots of intimate time with your snow blower?
Steve_Cebu


Joined: Dec 17, 2009
Points: 888

Re: Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Reply #22   Oct 11, 2010 3:08 pm
aa335 wrote:
I applaud him for  "pioneering" spirit and relentless devotion to eradicate mis-information and propaganda on this forum to set us straight. 

And not to mention the relentless drive to point out the "not-so-obvious" things that most of us just say "who cares" or "what's the f*&* difference?"


Most of us don't give a damn about most of these inane ramblings of his since they serve no purpose other that to boost up his post count.
This message was modified Oct 11, 2010 by Steve_Cebu


"If you have more miles on your snow blower than your car, you live in New England."  "If you can drive 75 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard without flinching, you live in New England."
Steve_Cebu


Joined: Dec 17, 2009
Points: 888

Re: Should the Weight Be on the Wheels or the Scoop?
Reply #23   Oct 11, 2010 3:11 pm
DavidNJ wrote:
The answer is, do you want to move snow or spend lots of intimate time with your snow blower?


Well it's apparant from sucha strong Democrat and Obama lover such as yourself that you'd rather work out irrelevant figures on napkins and annoy most people with useless info than actually blow any snow. It seems to me that all you want to blow is Hot Air! Perhaps you should forget snowblowers and take up hot air ballooning or politics.

"If you have more miles on your snow blower than your car, you live in New England."  "If you can drive 75 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard without flinching, you live in New England."
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