Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

I was reading about the Clarence impeller improvement online today. It attaches a rubber gasket to each impeller blade ceiling it against impeller housing. Most who tried it seemed to report outstanding results especially with heavy wet snow. The only place where some reported it may not be effective were on units, such as the Honda, that reportedly have very tight clearances tween the impeller blades and the housing from the factory.

Ariens snowblowers are well-known for their high-capacity high capacity. Well most large snowblowers at 12 inch diameter impellers, the Ariens have 14 inch. That is over 16% faster speed at the end of the impeller blade. Does that give them a decisive edge?

So the question is: how important is the design of the impeller to the overall system performance? Are tight clearances between the impeller and it's housing critical? If so, which brands have the tightest ones? Is the diameter of the impeller critical? If so, did he Ariens and others with large impellers have a distinct advantage? The Clarence kit is inexpensive if you can install it yourself. Should everybody be installing these kits? TheToro has a unique impeller housing. Partially plastic, it has a return for excess snow to be returned to scoop. The effective Toro and edge or is it a disadvantage?

Toro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTAAaT_sFss

aa335 wrote:

Yea, that happens to lots of schools with 2300+ board scores for admissions.

Wouldn't it be easy just to take the engine rpm and the ratio of the pulleys off the crank and impeller then do the math? Friiy

friiy wrote:

Depends if you're a mathematician, an engineer, or a handy man.

Depends on whether you can get to the pulley or not. A strobe light, timing light would be easier. Non invasive, just takes at most two people. One to fiddle with the strobe light, the other to hold down the lever thing to get the auger to turn. Or just use duct tape, and lose the second person.

However it's done, a 50 page thesis on it isn't necessary.

For Airens you can just count the auger rotations for a few seconds like taking your pulse.  A chalk mark or piece of tape on the blade helps.  That # times 10 gets the impeller speed.  For other most other US machines the impeller is 10 times the auger RPM.

I think Yamaha and Honda may have a higher ratio.  A Yamaha 6hp runs at 4000 RPM and will keep up with any US 8hp in distance and throughput.  As a note the Yamaha at lest has 4 roller bearings in the gearbox and the auger shaft supported by roller bearings. 

I figured it was around 1200rpm. This is 2010 guys, I just video taped it at 480 frames/sec and looked at a few seconds of the image. This became important because of a comment earlier in this thread about the Ariens having both a faster rotational speed and a higher discharge force because of a large diameter. There was also a discussion of blade to housing distance.

What is equally interesting is that impellers between the Deere/Simplicity and the Ariens are signficicantly different in design. The Deere/Simplicity is a 4 2" L  sections welded to a 11" square plate with thin supporting ridges to the plate center from the blate. The Ariens is three U-section scoops, straight for 2" then tapering in for about 3" mounted on three pronged support plate.

It would be great if the Internet had two neighors with an 30" Simplicity, a 30" Ariens, a 28" Toro, a 30" MTD (both 12" and 16"), a 30" Husgvarna, and a 28" Honda back to back in the same snow. But it doesn't exist. And there few people who have had used multile current models and fewer who report. Actually next to none. The closest I know is between a Toro 1128 and an older Ariens 33" that had no steering and no longer available Tecumseh motor with balance shaft.

I think the problem with using a stobe is you get all the multiple rpms of the unit also....      Such as 400 rpm of the unit will show on the strobe the same as 200... Meaning you would need to know the multiplication factor of the flashes... You would still need to know the ratio of the engine / pto to tell the actual rpm of the part...   (someone could be stobing at 1600 rpm and and the motor is turning at 3200 and it apears the same)

Just the Facts..

Friiy

This is 2010. We used a 480 frame/sec video from our camera. It was trivial since there was only 30° of movement between frames.

I guess this is 2010...

Friiy

friiy wrote:

Ouch, that hurts, more than the furnace door bearings. :) its late and I have no idea what you just said. 400 is 200, 3200 is 1600. Maybe I'll just a get high speed camera and forget about the strobe light idea. It's already Oct 2010, ferchrisssakes. I'm going to have another beer and call it a night.

At 30 degrees per frame means 12 frames per revolution, 480 frames per sec means 40 rotations per sec, 40 rotations per sec means 2400 rmp... 360/30=12, 480 / 12 = 40, 40 x 60 = 2400 rpm Now, just a question... is the impeller pulley larger or smaller than the engine pto pulley? If the impeller pulley is smaller than the pto pulley on the engine crank, then the impeller would have to spin faster than the engine.. ( the engine I think runs between 2800-3200 rpm).... Just throwing that out there.. Friiy