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clifford


Joined: Feb 4, 2010
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Toro 824 power shift snow blower
Original Message   Feb 4, 2010 7:01 pm
My belt kept coming off of my snow blower , I looked and the pulleys dont line up.Investigating this I noticed that the shaft in the front was coming in and out of the gear box.About a inch and a half. Can some one help me with this. Thanks
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PACKO


Joined: Nov 19, 2008
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Re: Toro 824 power shift snow blower
Reply #1   Feb 5, 2010 11:58 am
You can download the entire service manual and do some inspecting.
Tosnowps[1] Copy

OR      http://www.scribd.com/doc/26159544/Tosnowps-1-Copy   
clifford


Joined: Feb 4, 2010
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Re: Toro 824 power shift snow blower
Reply #2   Feb 5, 2010 4:34 pm
I have the service manual it doesnt say nothing about my problem.The shaft that hooks onto to fan that goes into the gear box in front, comes in and out about 1 inch or so.When the motor is running you can see the pulley going back and forth.I thought what I could do is unloosen the two screws on the pulley and move the pulley up more to the front,,I just tryed this and I have the , I guess the shear pin showing and afraid to go back any more.Called toro for help and It must of been a new person and didnt help at all,,I thought maybe someone on here has had this issue before. Thanks  If someone would like to call me I would appricate it. .....410-641-4136 
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PACKO


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Re: Toro 824 power shift snow blower
Reply #3   Feb 5, 2010 4:45 pm
If you can post a picture or a good description where to look, I can check mine for you.  I'm a little confused by your reference to the "fan".
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clifford


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Re: Toro 824 power shift snow blower
Reply #4   Feb 5, 2010 6:51 pm
I

OK< That shaft that you see is going in and out from the gear box in the front,,,,Also I have tryed to move the pulley back alittle bit But I now see the key stock and afriad of it coming out

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trouts2




Location: Marlboro MA
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Re: Toro 824 power shift snow blower
Reply #5   Feb 5, 2010 7:04 pm
When you post the message box should have a row of widgets.  The one third from the right is for inserting pictures.  You have to put the picture somewhere online and then click the box and list the address of where you put the picture.  The address is case sensitive.
trouts2




Location: Marlboro MA
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Re: Toro 824 power shift snow blower
Reply #6   Feb 5, 2010 7:17 pm
What is the model number of your machine - the number off the back base of the machine?

Most models of power shifter are the same but....

   You gearbox should have no play if it's not damaged.  There is no room for movement in and out as you mentioned.  There's a front flange, the spiral worm and a snap ring holding in a string of parts back to the oil seal.  They can't move unless something is broken or off like the snap ring but that's only very thin so not much room to allow slop.  The spiral gear would also not allow movement unless stripped on it's helical gear. 

   It seems you were throwing snow until the belt fell off.  Is that right?   I don't see how you could have an inch plus movement of the shaft.  The auger drive shaft has the impeller pinned to it.  It can't move backward much as it would hit the wall of the intake housing.  ?? It can't move forward as the shaft end would have to break through the auger gearbox case so the movement must be all backward.  For that to happen the snap ring would have to be broken or off to allow the shaft to clip backwards, otherwise the sting of parts would take up all the room and for it to go back the case would have to break. 

   It's likely from what you are saying that you have at least a snap ring problem inside the gearbox. 

   If it's really moving around that much then your sprial may be chewing into the helical gear causing chips inside the gearbox.  The spiral is not going to move much without hitting helical gear teeth the wrong way and that causes chips. 

  The problem is not the pulley.  It's the gearbox end.  You need to find out why the shaft can move in and out.  If it's really moving that much inside the gearbox then you'll have to open it up.

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clifford


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Re: Toro 824 power shift snow blower
Reply #7   Feb 5, 2010 7:47 pm
This has made it clear ,thx   Sure enough the impeller and the pulley move in and out 1inch or better,this does mean its in the gear box,I can grab the shaft and pull it in and out of the gear box,impeller and pulley are moving to. When its running you can see that pulley just moving back and forth. I guess I could take it apart and see.Would be nice if it was that snap ring . Works great till the fan belt pops off.   Ok , Thank You very much, I no where to go from here." Your the man" I needed to talk to......
PACKO


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Re: Toro 824 power shift snow blower
Reply #8   Feb 5, 2010 8:12 pm
As I look at the parts diagrams,  The pulley that comes out of the gearbox is bolted to a very short flanged shaft,bearing and bevel gear.  This is not the problem.  Your problem is all about the impeller shaft.
If you and Trouts2 want a copy of the parts diagrams email me.
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clifford


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Re: Toro 824 power shift snow blower
Reply #9   Feb 5, 2010 8:33 pm
Yes, It is the propeller shaft ,but is there something wrong with the end of the shaft or in the gear box itself,,The gear box where the auger is. I have just checked out the diagram.Doesnt  look that bad to take apart. Will give a update tommorrow after I have taken this thing apart.Thanks  
PACKO


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Re: Toro 824 power shift snow blower
Reply #10   Feb 5, 2010 8:46 pm
Look and see if the impeller is bolted to the shaft or if its spinning on the shaft.  That would allow the shaft to move to the rear if its broken........I think
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