Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

Well, we finally have had some snow fall here in Grass Lake MI, at least enough to break out a snow blower. I picked up the Toro Power Clear 221QE a few weeks ago here in Jackson MI at a local Toro distributor, and caught it on sale. I bought the Toro to replace a 15 year old Toro 21" single stage as she was getting rather long in the tooth. The area I need to clear is aprox. 10,000 sq ft of asphalt, an "L" shaped drive that faces due West with a good sized pond beyond that. I also have an older Sears Craftsman 2 stage for the really big stuff, the Craftsman still runs like a champ but for the usual 6 inch snowfalls around here it is a bit of an overkill, but still gets a few runs a year when we get the big storms.

Well, I pulled the Toro out of the garage and gave her two primes and gave her a pull, she started with the first pull, with no choke, as I forgot that in my excitement to try her out. She sputtered for a split second, and away she went, very little if any smoke, pretty cool. The noise level was as expected for a two stroke, but yet quieter than the 15 year old two stroke Toro she replaced.

I played around with the quick chute before starting out and found that solid and easy to use. And I would highly recommend getting the quick chute model, that feature is worth the money, at least to myself. I started my normal routine in clearing and she was much more powerful, which I expected, than the old gal she is replacing. She threw the snow a good 20' as advertised and was of course very easy to maneuver. I found the motor to be more than adequate to get the job done of clearing the snow as was again expected.

The one issue, maybe good, maybe bad, but man does this unit have some torque. I found that on the uphill portion of my drive (say 10 degrees if that) she was very hard to control, to the point that I was was nearly walking along side of the unit to keep it straight. This was not very enjoyable as I have tendonitis in both arms. I tried tilting it back so that the paddle was not hitting the drive, tried holding it back, tried forward pressure to get full contact, etc... Going down the drive, she was a bit easier to control, but not by much. This was not like my 2 stage that just chugs along and devours the snow. This was actually quite a workout, not saying I don't need the exercise, but my older Toro was much more controllable.

Am I missing something here? When I purchased the 221QE I also purchased its little brother, the 180 to do my walks and deck, which is a 4 stroke and indeed smaller, but it tracks straight and does not want to "run away". I am wondering now if I should not have ponied up the extra cash for the 421QE? But here is the irony of my decision to purchase the 221 over the 421, I wanted the extra torque of the 2 stroke over the 4 stroke! Now I am regretting, or questioning, my decision.

superbuick wrote:
That makes sense now that you mention it. When I was headed up the drive I had the snow chute aimed 90 degrees to the right side, 3 o'clock, and the rear of the blower wanted to go to the left or 7 o'clock. When I was heading down the drive, I had the chute at roughly 10-11 o'clock, and the unit was tracking virtually straight but still wanting to kick out in the rear, but not quite as bad. So, it sounds like my technique needs some adjusting.

Thank you very much for your reply and clearing this up for me. Now I just need some more snow...

Mike

Nice, I didn't know that those chutes also function as thrust vectors.  :)

aa335 wrote:

Yeah - they are pretty darn powerful, and coupled with the light weight of the units, you can get some of that torquing effect.  I've found, as he mentioned, it to be stronger going up hills than down.  However, I don't fight it, I just let the machine pull itself along - they work FAST!

superbuick wrote:
That explains why my neighbor walks so fast.  I thought he was a speed walker.  I guess it takes less effort keeping up rather than trying to slow that snowblower down.

So do you point that snowblower at a 45 degrees like an airplane crabbing dealing with cross winds?

aa335 wrote:

Most aviators I know use the term "side slipping" for the maneuver you've labeled as "crabbing". I have a buddy who owned a Cessna 185 Skywagon with floats. We were flying into one of our moose hunting camps on a tiny lake that was longer than it was wide and had a small island in the middle of it. In order to land on this lake we had to go between the island and shore and we needed pretty much most of the lake to land and take off. The lake is is surrounded by pretty high hills so, once we cleared the hill, we had to lose elevation rather quickly. I swear that we would come in so low, I could almost touch the tree tops. Once over the ridge, the pilot would slew the plane sideways so that we were coming down diagonally. With the drag caused by the fuselage and floats, It was like being in an elevator. When we were about 50 feet above the lake, he lined the plane up for landing and would put that thing down ever so gently. He is a masterful bush pilot.

Sounds like landing in Hong Kong.  :)  Just in a smaller airplane.

aa335 wrote:

When I was in Hong Kong the plane landed near the beginning of the terminal and after we had landed and slowed to taxi speed it was about 3/4 the length of the terminal.

borat wrote:
Actually he was correct using the term "crabbing" for what he was describing.  Putting an airplane into a slip is for losing altitiude without gaining airspeed.  Primarily used during landing by airplanes that dont have flaps.

superbuick wrote:
Your not kidding, I peeled that 10,000 sq ft off in about 1/2 an hour. It was not enjoyable, but the job is done....

PACKO wrote:

None of the pilots I know have ever used the term "crabbing" for that particular maneuver although, from the information below, we both might be using the incorrect term for the maneuver I experienced. The correct term is "forward slip". Don't know if you are familiar with the "Gimli Glider", a Boeing 767 that ran out of fuel over Manitoba. The pilots had to use "forward slip" to lose elevation without gaining air speed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider .........Excerpt: "I was taught that a forward slip is a cross-controlled descent maneuver. You can lose alot of altitude without gaining speed. A side slip is essentially the same, but is balanced with a crosswind to allow you to fly straight down the approach, with the upwind wing low. Crab is weathervaning into a crosswind when flying straight and level. I fly a 180, and sideslipping is a normal procedure.