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On the subject of bigger impellers & augers
Original Message   Dec 14, 2009 8:57 am
I would appreciate opinions on a crazy idea I have.  My problem is very limited storage/access space which pretty much limits me to a 24" wide machine (with a corresponding smaller diameter auger).
So, In order to get a step up in performance, I am looking at a 10-28 unit that I have, and wondering about the possibility of narrowing it to 24". That would mean remove the rakes, grind off the welds on the outboard support, compress the rakes down by 2" and reweld. Of course I would need to narrow the housing & shorten the shafts too.
My logic is that the larger rakes of the 28" machine (16" dia. vs 12" in the 24" machine) even narrowed, would still have a much bigger throughput. Does that make any sense? They are both 3 blade impellers, the 24" is 11" and the 28" is 12". I haven't calculated the relative impeller/auger speeds for the two machines, but interestingly enough the the smaller machine has a much longer  "hook" at the front of the impeller, which I assume is to move the snow from the auger housing into the impeller chamber. So it seems to take bigger bites of snow?

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Re: On the subject of bigger impellers & augers
Reply #4   Dec 15, 2009 11:23 am
Just throwing and un-educated opinon out there; What about changing the pully's and belts by a little bit and therefore increasing the RPM of the impeller?

I know that would also, relatively, increase the speed of the auger, but that depends on the gearing on the shaft too. After all, you could put 20 hp on the head but if you cannot get the torque to the "ground" so to speak, what good will it do. Does anyone make different size pully's or different gearing for that end of the shafte. I know that opens a hole different can of worms, but after all, if the RPM is the cuplrit...

I had a siilar thought about my old Ariens before I sold it. Repower and increase strength or just replace...

I found a suitable replacement instead of tinkering...

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Reply #5   Dec 15, 2009 2:56 pm
For a two stage thrower there are two pulleys, sometimes joined together, one powers the auger, the other powers the impeller. They can be removed and replaced with slightly different sized pulleys but there are things to be aware of that have been discussed in other threads.

I did it when I put an 11HP B&S Snow Intek on a 10/28 machine that had a blown 10.5 Tecumseh L-Head. I increased both pulleys by 1/4" and got a bit faster horizontal speed and a noticable but not really useful increase in throwing distance. I have noticed with other machines that when the throwing distance is bad its normally because the impeller belt is not tight enough and is slipping. This is due to the belt being too worn or the idler not being adjusted properly.

If you do this be very careful, belt tensions will be different and components running faster will wear out faster.

Back to the OP. Throwing distance is determined by the diameter of the impeller and its RPM. The amount of snow that can be "pumped" through the unit is also fixed. Most OPE engines run at the same RPM and the gear train doesn't change so throwing distance under normal load won't change appreciably. As you stated, the difference is in how the machine reacts to being used under higher loads. More power means the engine is harder to bog down and hence can throw its maximum snow volume without slowing down. It doesn't really increase that volume nor does it make it go away faster, any excess snow goes out in front of the auger and the unit starts to snow plough.
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